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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis sure host we have a great one for

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you this evening Greg bishops going to

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be on and I just started listening to

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his podcast recently and it's great

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we'll talk a little bit about that and a

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lot more Alejandro Rojas is coming up

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with UFO updates in just a second here I

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have to say real quickly it's not

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affecting anyone at all but we did get

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hacked and I've had I've had to like

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redo all types of security services and

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things and clean the site but someone in

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money and you know and it was quite a

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bit all at once so but that's taken care

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of we're all set

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just another monthly expense so if

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anyone can help us out we would really

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appreciate it that information is all on

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podcast UFO comm and if you can help us

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out you still want to listen to the

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whole show always on Wednesday evenings

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that may change to Monday eventually but

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right now it's on Wednesdays at 8:00 to

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10:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time you can

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also listen on the Dark Matter digital

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network a lot of people do and that's on

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Thursdays from 10:00 to midnight and

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that's it for me Alejandro how are you

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good to have you back I am good how are

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you doing great was I here last week no

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you haven't been on for a long long long

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holy-moly long time I don't know exactly

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well I'm back baby yeah you're back and

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you got a great shirt anyone watching

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youtube what is that oh isn't that cute

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it's a little lego guy so this is when I

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volunteered my girlfriend's daughter

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Rihanna who's one of my good buddies

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she's awesome but she is in her first

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year in college but in high school she

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was part of the Robotics Club and one of

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the rope

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leagues is a LEGO League it's the

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Elementary League and so we volunteered

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to help those guys out a couple of times

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and so this is our volunteer t-shirt for

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the robotics LEGO League

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pretty cool huh yeah I like it yeah I

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love it yeah yeah so how's everything

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you had some R&R readings did some

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travel huh

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well I did some traveling not a whole

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lot of R&R I hope to get to some more

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but it's been busy so of course there's

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so much going on right now I'm still

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playing some catch-up in fact right now

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I'm writing my story about the third

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Department of Defense video that was

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released which I'm sure we can talk

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about and even though that happened you

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know what a week or two ago two weeks

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of those sent to us from Linda Zimmerman

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that I posted on Friday was a great one

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about UFO sightings during Saint

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Patrick's Day in particular of course

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really cool stories there so yeah I've

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been busy with that I've also got any

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other new venture I'm doing to see you

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know oh and I can plug this modern

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American dot news so I've got a lot of

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blogs you know I used to contribute with

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the Huffington Post I'm not doing that

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anymore but I've still got all of these

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great interviews with some scientists

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and and with in one case that former

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senator and or for American about space

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and other things so I've got a new site

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modern American news and I get story

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sometimes from people who ask if this

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story will fit you know an open mind and

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if it's not UFOs I don't post it so I've

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got some of those don't let those people

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know that I can't post at this new

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website that I'm putting together and

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media buddies because often you know

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whatever outlet they write for so this

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gives people the opportunity to write

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about other genres that they may be

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interested in so I'm excited about that

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I hope this does well and can you tell

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us you found another outlet for writing

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an idea of what type of topics we may be

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able to find on that like right now

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fascinating topics like you know

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robotics one of the interviews I did was

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you know whether or not we'll have an AI

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robot anytime soon kind of like in the

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movie chappie and this guy is an ASU

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researcher who is working on robotics

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for NASA and he's working on building

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robots that can think for themselves

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because let's say you send a robot or

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like the Rovers on Mars takes a long

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time to communicate with them if they

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could actually figure out and determine

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some some tasks they could do on their

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own then we don't have to wait for the

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course but you know the signals to go

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back and forth so that's what he's

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working on and surprisingly he says yes

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that it won't be too long before we

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could do some sort of AI system that

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could become self-aware which is kind of

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strange I mean that that that's really

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odd some of the experiments some of

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these robotics guys do too it's a like

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this one guy has these little robots he

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makes and he used uses the brains of Maz

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of oh I think I saw something on that

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the controls yeah showing little wires

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into the and yeah yeah so some cool

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stuff like that some cutting edge kind

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of science and space stuff out there

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Mike Massimino is a astronaut you see

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him more and more on television he's

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this New Yorker guy I think it's from

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the Bronx and he's just a really cool

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guy but I also posted an interview I

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have of him up there and that's really

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amazing kids we're talking about

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spacewalks and you really get the sense

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of kind of that ah that they encounter

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when they're doing the spacewalks so

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yeah so I hurry up you need to interview

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more astronauts and things like that and

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so that's what you'll see up there is

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more of the kind of conventional stuff

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I'll put the bigger UFO stories up there

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occasionally but for the most part you

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know it yeah kind of mainstream news

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sort of things there well talking about

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a I took a little a little step back

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with that right by you

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in Tempe that accident recently is too

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bad a self-driving cars I really think

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is going to be the future you know

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whatever happened hopefully they can

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figure it out in iron it out so

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something like that won't happen well

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actually they're kind of stating that

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something like this can happen and will

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happen again but it wasn't the cars

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fault so it's almost actually turning

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into a good story for these cars because

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they at least the police officer they

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kind of walked it back in it's been kind

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of this PR issue but they said that from

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looking at the cameras on the vehicle no

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one could have avoided hitting that

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person because unfortunately that person

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walked out onto the street with their

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car in front by some day yeah the

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bicycle so there's this area where it's

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this is weird and it's kind of the city

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of tempies fault they have this area

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where there's this walkway and it looks

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like it's a pedestrian or biking lane

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and it's not and there's even a sign

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that says this is just for for looks

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essentially and which is kind of silly

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because why do you have a walkway there

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so that's where this person was was on

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this walkway and they I guess assumed

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they could cross the street cuz just

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down the street near the university any

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crosswalks you know you have to stop

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before for pedestrians going through the

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crosswalk but this is not a crosswalk

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that she went through so it's looking

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like it wasn't the cars fault and

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they're saying that you know the the

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vehicle or the car could not have

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avoided the so it's just like the

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incident the same thing as if a driver

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couldn't avoid it the via

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avoid it right either yeah and I get a

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vehicle yeah for the most part I think

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self-driving cars are gonna be much much

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safer than yeah you know just it can

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react instant of what I mean we can

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react fairly quickly but they can react

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much quicker than the Amman brain yep

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the way there's so many cars have this

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integrated these integrated systems

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where they'll stop if you miss something

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they'll stop for you I have noticed that

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Toyota's only real 2017 and it has it

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has an alarm if someone stops up in

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front of you and then if you don't hit

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the brakes that will hit them for you

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which is pretty nice Wow

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yeah it's cool I love this stuff that

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well that's great I wish you good luck

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on that I think we should probably talk

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about UFO news though right yes there

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anything some point yeah so what's going

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on yeah so I don't know have you talked

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about the third video much from I have

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not you cover that no I don't talk about

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it

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so on March 9th a Washington Post story

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came out while I was in the Caribbean so

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I was not able to read it and the big

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news that I created when it happened so

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I had to cover that when I when I got

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back because I ignored everything when I

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was attempting to chill out it was just

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it was adventurous we went to lots of

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violence so I didn't get a relax but I

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got to see some really cool stuff but

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anyway on March 9th a kind of an opinion

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piece came out on the Washington Post in

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their outlook section called perspective

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and it was written by Christopher Mellon

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who you're familiar with he was a deputy

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assistant secretary of defense for

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intelligence during the Clinton and Bush

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administration's he also has been a

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consultant for Congress on intelligence

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she's worked in CIA he's he's worked at

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very high-level intelligence positions

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throughout his career now he's retired

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from that and he's really into UFOs

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Leslie Kane wrote a story on him a

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couple years ago that kind of outed him

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on this and now he's part of this to the

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Stars organization along with Louise

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no key wrote an article which was titled

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the military keeps encountering UFOs why

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doesn't the Pentagon care and along with

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this article to the stars released the

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third video that they had in their stash

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an alleged UFO so these are videos that

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from what we are told that this

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organization a tip the advanced

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aerospace or aerial or aviation there's

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arguments over what the second word is

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thread identification program that

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Louise Alexander used to run they have

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allegedly looked at these videos and

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determined them to be unidentified they

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can't figure out what they are and they

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all feel that these what was observed

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these craft that were observed

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demonstrated technology more advanced

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than what we could create here or that

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any other nation has what Mellon is

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arguing is that maybe these videos are

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showing objects that are Russian or

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Chinese we don't know but that the

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Department of Defense should be

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interested they should want to figure

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out what these unknown objects are but

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they don't seem to care at least be

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spending the time and effort to

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investigate these which is exactly what

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Elizondo says he worked for that

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department he says we found these

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unknowns that you know the pilots

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couldn't figure out what they are

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we've had some pilots you know speak on

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the news on one of the other videos

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saying we think that this thing's et

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even when Elizondo just feels like

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Defense Department didn't take enough

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notice so that's what Mellon was arguing

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and in so in this article he they

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released the this new video which is

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probably the most impressive of all of

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them it's really cool it comes from a

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f-18 Hornet just like the others from

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the Navy and the you could see that

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they're videotaping the are they they've

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got their FLIR their infrared with

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registers

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he pointed towards the ocean and you see

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this object kind of zip in go across the

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screen and then the camera tries to

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track the object and eventually it does

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lock on and it follows this object which

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appears to be moving very quickly the

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objects below the the aircraft the

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aircraft is moving at 300 about 300

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miles per hour and we know this from the

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telemetry on the screen but yeah the

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objects moving pretty quickly with the

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IR which gathers heat you can tell that

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the object is appears to be round now

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that's the heat signature of it but on

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the TTS a website they do demonstrate

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that even from the heat signature you

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can still make out you know that the

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site the shape of an object that they

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show a jet and you can see it to jet

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because you can see the wings and you

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can also see the exhaust which is about

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as large as the plane itself so this

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object does not have exhaust doesn't

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appear to have links so they don't know

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what the heck it is a couple things to

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note first of all where does it come

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from the title enmity to the Stars

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website they say no other information as

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to where this object was videotaped or

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win has been released but the title of

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the video they've named the 2015 go fast

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footage and in Chris Mullins article he

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said that this occurred off the East

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Coast in 2015 so that's all we know

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about it currently as to where it comes

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from so that's the new video it's a very

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impressive video but the question is you

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know they they say on the TTS a website

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that even though they were the first to

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receive this video that they were

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released by the Department of Defense so

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Lassonde said that inner international

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UFO congress video as well in our

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interview with him and that so you can

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FOIA these videos to get copies of them

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but nobody's really had any success for

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yang

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doing foyers on anything regarding this

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department yet the New York Times

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verified that the a tip Department you

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know that investigated this UFOs did

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exist but that's the only thing

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officially that's coming from the

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Department of Defense everything else we

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know we know through to the stars or

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through Elizondo and so researchers are

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working to verify that information

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there's been some confusion in this

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release so for instance CNN did a piece

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a couple pieces on this video and one of

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those pieces was the video where they're

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giving you information but also seen

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that the Defense Department said that

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they didn't release these videos but of

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course that's a political position he

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might not be aware of the other group

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John Greenwald has gotten some strange

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read some a couple of four years have

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come back saying they haven't found any

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records so it's it's kind of you know

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looking grim as far as anybody else

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getting any copies of these videos and

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as Elizondo States the videos there are

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only a few seconds each because they're

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only showing you parts that they can

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show that aren't classified if that

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object you know shows other aircraft or

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it shows anything that could indicate

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you know anything going on with what

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their maneuvers that are classified then

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it can't be shown so that's why we only

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have these small clips of these videos

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but so there are still a ton of

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questions I'm going to be able to talk

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to Elizondo again sometime soon and

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hopefully get a follow-up interview but

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not only do we need answers from him

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which will we'll get I think we also

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need some of these foyers to result in

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some documentation and or TT's essay

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needs to release any documentation they

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have because we don't have any real

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documentation backing up any of this yet

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well

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no I think I told you when we talked the

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other day that I've been communicating

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with a pilot that says he's seen this so

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I asked him the question after you and I

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finished how long ago did you see those

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see that video in particular because he

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saw he said he saw this exact video and

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a briefing he's a military pilot and he

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said that was about he said about four

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years ago so that's it's probably he's

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probably telling the truth you know I

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don't I don't know it'll be interesting

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he said that it was the particular

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reason of this video being in the

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briefing that he was in was to show the

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something like the slide and catch of

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the Raytheon camera it was a it was an

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excellent job how they actually were

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able to catch the object so it'll be

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interesting the more I find out about

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what he knows about it but it may be

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yeah you may want to ask

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Elizondo when you talk to him did pilots

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the average pilot get to see this mm-hmm

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yeah from what I believe that's true

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that some people have seen it but or at

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least seen some of these but these

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videos were allegedly Declassified they

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went through a declassifying process so

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hopefully we'll see those documents

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regarding that Leslie Kane said she's

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seen those documents so we know that

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they have them the T TSA people have

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them so hopefully they'll release us at

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some point but the only problem with

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that of course 2015 was only a little

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more than two years ago so it might not

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be in this video he saw maybe one of the

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others but yeah so it's it yeah he could

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so I'm excited to hear more but I don't

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think and and this is kind of the issue

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and what's happening I I think there's

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there's many disconnects I'm going on

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with people researchers are trying to

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verify some of this information

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and the media isn't necessarily there

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taking elizondo's word for it because to

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the media he is an authority

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he's been vetted he worked for the

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Department of Defense he's the authority

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if he says they investigated it that's

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good enough for them unless someone of

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authority was to come out and say he's

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lying but you know he's got the backing

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of like Harry Reid who people have

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interviewed so that's substantial there

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for the verification for UFO researchers

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we're probably not going to get it we're

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just not privy to the information we

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want or need to be able to verify some

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of this for instance you know two

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bunkers have gone and looked at it and

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given some things like ideas like

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they're balloons or they're drones or

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something like this but you know we

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haven't seen the entire investigation

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what led them to believe that these are

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unknown objects and the fact is and some

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people have gotten kind of frustrated

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with this answer but it's the truth we

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probably might not be able to see that

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that information could be classified so

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all we know is that you know people at

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the Department of Defense and and in the

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military examine this they couldn't

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figure out what it was and that's all

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we're gonna be given luckily we do have

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some witnesses for instance when it

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comes to Nimitz you know there is of

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course the pilot who's been out there to

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verify yes we saw this and I think that

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it is something extraterrestrial and and

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that's where some I think gains can be

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made from what I understand with

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researchers there are people possibly

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speaking with witnesses got to verify

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these witnesses so we may have some more

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witnesses come forward and that would be

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great but as far as expecting to see

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documentation hopefully T TSA will share

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some but it's not looking very positive

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that the Department of Defense is going

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to let anything out anytime soon

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unless we get some sort of insight or

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help on that so well

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okay alejandro well we've kept Greg in

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the wings long enough yeah I know so I

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apologize for that one last point I

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would make is that the good thing though

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is that the media's been treating this

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very well I mean yes I think culturally

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it's been very important because

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culturally it's almost like people have

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accepted that UFOs are real phenomena I

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mean it feels like that change has been

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made the media no longer talks as

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skeptical about it when they refer to it

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they're referring to the Department of

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Defense that they have found this to be

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a real phenomenon and that's really

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important I think but I don't want to

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keep you from Greg any more because Greg

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is one of my favorite anchors and

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interviews in in this arena so I know

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this is gonna be a great show all right

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now Andrew thanks so much and I'll be

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talking to you thank you next week all

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right all right talk to you later

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so our guest Greg is coming right up he

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has a podcast we're gonna be talking

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about he's been at this a long time

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great books project beta recently when

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we were talking when I was out in

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Phoenix he gave me a defies language

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it's a lot of essays of things that he's

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written on on different blogs mostly God

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something in the middle I'm gonna have

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to ask him he's gonna laugh Greg welcome

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to the show hey nice to be here to hear

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me okay yeah I can hear you I don't know

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okay good yeah no I'm just making sure

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because we were checking mics at the

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beginning here and I turned my regular

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mic back on and as long as you hear me

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that's great yeah it was called now I

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can't remember the name but it's glued

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as a metal

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well excluded middle was the name of the

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magazine yeah yeah the the website or

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the blog that I did along with Nick

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Redford was called euphemistic I didn't

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I need yeah yeah so most of the stuff in

543
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that book is essays from there and then

544
00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:45,520
I wrote three new ones and I included I

545
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,950
don't know four or five old ones that

546
00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:50,320
had never been seen before and a few

547
00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:51,160
other things that I

548
00:24:58,020 --> 00:24:54,550
written that had never seen the light of

549
00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:58,030
day so it's it's it's a hodgepodge to

550
00:25:02,730 --> 00:24:59,650
just stop I've been thinking over the

551
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:02,740
last what 10 15 years something like

552
00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:05,200
that and the other thing is I would have

553
00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:06,940
an idea and somebody to halo this great

554
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,560
idea I just came up with an IDE it's

555
00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:10,960
like I wrote about that 10 years ago so

556
00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:13,030
I put dates on everything yeah so I

557
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:15,100
could I could remember what I'd written

558
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:17,290
it was like I think I wrote about that

559
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:20,200
like in 2006 oh yeah there it is

560
00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:22,690
you know one of the things I totally

561
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,460
agree with you on after listening to

562
00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:26,940
your podcast which is great by the way

563
00:25:32,150 --> 00:25:30,100
radio mysterioso how is that how you say

564
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,160
is that the proper way to pronounce it

565
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,720
yeah I mean I pronounce it like Spanish

566
00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:36,120
because I grew up in Southern California

567
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,900
everything everybody around here

568
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:40,000
practically I mean you know Spanish few

569
00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:41,890
lives here so it's more like Rio misty

570
00:25:47,370 --> 00:25:44,500
do so but radio Mysterio's is fine too

571
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:47,380
yeah so one of the things you've I've

572
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:49,930
heard you say and I've said it a number

573
00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:53,220
of times sometimes the weirder stranger

574
00:26:00,060 --> 00:25:56,830
things are the more believable they are

575
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:00,070
I totally I totally understand you know

576
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:01,330
where you're coming from when you said

577
00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:04,150
that because I agree you know the really

578
00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:06,280
oddball ones how could they make it up

579
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:09,070
or why would they make it up you know

580
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,890
that yeah doesn't fit yeah and the thing

581
00:26:15,570 --> 00:26:13,840
is that people try and force things into

582
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:15,580
a narrative it's like oh well that's not

583
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:18,370
a gray so or you know why did that

584
00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:20,230
person start having poltergeist activity

585
00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:23,230
in their house before or after a

586
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:25,030
sighting stuff like that stuff that

587
00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:27,820
doesn't fit I think is a real good clue

588
00:26:31,050 --> 00:26:29,560
as to what might be going on Carla

589
00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:31,060
Turner said this a long time ago on a

590
00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:32,230
interviewer she said I think the

591
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,270
anomalous stuff is where were the gold

592
00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:36,880
lies she said so you shouldn't you

593
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:38,620
shouldn't push away things just because

594
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:39,910
they sound weird or the narrative

595
00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:42,220
doesn't sound like the standard one or

596
00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:44,200
whatever you know if somebody I referred

597
00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:45,580
to this case but if somebody sees a

598
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:48,520
giant a four foot tall rabbit with plaid

599
00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:50,650
first sitting in there plaid colored

600
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:52,270
first sitting in their driveway after

601
00:27:00,990 --> 00:26:54,970
that have a UFO encounter that's really

602
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:01,000
important I get it it's it's crazy it's

603
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:04,330
insane but it is intimately connected to

604
00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:05,030
the

605
00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:08,120
experience and if we can find out why or

606
00:27:12,550 --> 00:27:10,160
why such an absurd thing might happen

607
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,560
what other absurd things happen we can

608
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:14,000
maybe we can start to figure out things

609
00:27:17,530 --> 00:27:16,130
besides where do they come from and all

610
00:27:19,270 --> 00:27:17,540
this I don't think that's an important

611
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:19,280
question anymore the important question

612
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:22,610
is what causes UFO reports yeah that's

613
00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:25,490
true hey Greg I just want to let you

614
00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:26,990
know I did have some questions come in

615
00:27:33,790 --> 00:27:29,180
I'm going to be given those two later

616
00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:33,800
also we may take we may not see we may

617
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:36,140
take some phone calls later if you're

618
00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:39,670
alright with that and about with that

619
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:43,160
yeah so you know one of the things up I

620
00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:45,170
was thinking about you know we were

621
00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:47,960
talking earlier Alejandro and I about

622
00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:50,390
these Pentagon you know the Pentagon

623
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:52,790
situation and how that seems to have

624
00:27:58,570 --> 00:27:56,930
changed some things but I found it I

625
00:28:01,860 --> 00:27:58,580
found it kind of curious the other day I

626
00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:01,870
was talking to my sister and her husband

627
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,420
was a scientist at Los Alamos labs for

628
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:07,760
years under in the nuclear program there

629
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:11,270
and when I brought up to him casually

630
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:13,010
one day said hey you know I'm doing a

631
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:14,570
show in UFOs what do you think of that

632
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:16,580
do you think it's crazy well he goes

633
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:18,530
well I believe there's actually

634
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:20,510
something to it and I was shocked I was

635
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:22,610
totally shocked you know what scientists

636
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:24,170
would just say something like that he

637
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:28,610
says that very well could be and I bet

638
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:30,110
he might not have said that five months

639
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:32,450
ago no no no this was you know this was

640
00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:35,090
a three or four years ago okay I'm

641
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,920
bringing up the bringing up this case of

642
00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:38,480
the Pentagon because I told my sister

643
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:40,430
the other day my sisters I know she

644
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,470
thinks of Milwaukee I mean she got on

645
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:44,480
the wall over there there's a alien

646
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:46,670
crossing sign thing she sent me for

647
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,650
Christmas and you know she thinks I'm

648
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:50,480
totally wacky talking about the UFO

649
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:51,710
topic so the other day I had a

650
00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:53,780
conversation with her and I said hey you

651
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:56,180
know the Pentagon's actually come out

652
00:29:00,610 --> 00:28:58,970
and says that there they were taking a

653
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:00,620
serious look at UFOs what do you think

654
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:02,510
about that she immediately swell how's

655
00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:05,210
the weather there she doesn't want to

656
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:06,980
talk about it she just thinks she has

657
00:29:11,170 --> 00:29:09,260
her mind made up so one of the things I

658
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:11,180
was going I wanted to talk to you about

659
00:29:15,730 --> 00:29:14,090
to tonight somewhere along the line is a

660
00:29:19,180 --> 00:29:15,740
Robertson panel because I know that was

661
00:29:23,650 --> 00:29:19,190
in your book and do you think this is

662
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:23,660
a carry-on the way we all act about this

663
00:29:28,540 --> 00:29:26,810
topic from that or do you think that

664
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:28,550
without that it would naturally would

665
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:33,890
have occurred yeah I'm trying to think

666
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:36,410
how to answer that the Robertson panel

667
00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:39,530
basically said publicly that it wasn't

668
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:41,180
important there wasn't anything to it

669
00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:43,460
and you know the background was it of it

670
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:45,470
was we can't get people to panic because

671
00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:48,590
it's gonna cause you know problems for

672
00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:51,980
maybe Civic problems maybe a headache

673
00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:54,350
for the Air Force public relations and

674
00:29:59,950 --> 00:29:57,220
then on top of that it could be used to

675
00:30:04,180 --> 00:29:59,960
by enemies like the Russians at that

676
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,190
point - there's something strange could

677
00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:05,840
be used by enemies like the Russians to

678
00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:11,230
do you know to fool destabilize and

679
00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:15,680
infiltrate I guess our military but at

680
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:20,900
this point I don't think that the what's

681
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:23,600
going on with - the Stars really has a

682
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:25,010
lot to do with the government it has

683
00:30:29,650 --> 00:30:26,860
mostly to do with through the stars

684
00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:29,660
that's my impression and I think what

685
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:33,560
they're trying to do whether you trust

686
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:35,270
them or not agree with them or not or

687
00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:37,700
whatever I mean I've got serious

688
00:30:42,270 --> 00:30:39,980
questions about their motivations but I

689
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:42,280
think one of their motivations is that

690
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:45,620
they want to make it okay for people to

691
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,690
talk about this and you know damned if

692
00:30:52,660 --> 00:30:49,520
they haven't done that so that's good

693
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:52,670
yeah you know well academically talking

694
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,260
about it like like Alejandra and you

695
00:30:59,380 --> 00:30:56,480
said the news the media is talking about

696
00:31:02,050 --> 00:30:59,390
it not snickering about it so that's a

697
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:02,060
step whatever their endgame is I have no

698
00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:03,830
idea I don't I don't think their endgame

699
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:05,390
is what they what they say it is but

700
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:07,730
we'll see you know I'm gonna have one

701
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:09,770
listener that's gonna be extremely happy

702
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:12,710
hearing you say that because he's been

703
00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:14,330
trying to get that message out there he

704
00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:15,620
thinks that it's it's two different

705
00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:18,020
things going on there and their

706
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:20,900
motivation is he think believes their

707
00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:22,850
motivation is financial and why is it

708
00:31:28,810 --> 00:31:25,160
why do they have entertainment involved

709
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:28,820
at all in the in this situation I think

710
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:30,710
that's part of it I mean if you if you

711
00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:32,970
want to say it's this thing and yet how

712
00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:34,679
you're mad about it I think you're

713
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:36,870
already off on the wrong foot because I

714
00:31:41,419 --> 00:31:39,090
think it's doing many things some of

715
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:41,429
which you may agree with it may like and

716
00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:42,659
may think it's a good thing and other

717
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:45,900
things probably nobody really knows

718
00:31:50,659 --> 00:31:47,820
about except the people in it that you

719
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,669
may not be happy about so I don't know

720
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:52,380
everybody and everybody involved in it

721
00:31:56,180 --> 00:31:54,419
is former government for were former

722
00:31:59,180 --> 00:31:56,190
intelligence and the first thing I said

723
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,190
when this came out was why do you trust

724
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:01,200
people that you've never trusted before

725
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:03,270
government lies it's terrible they're

726
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:04,679
never gonna tell us the truth why should

727
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:06,570
we leave anything they say okay let's

728
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:08,010
tell you exactly what you want to hear

729
00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:09,299
oh they're telling the truth that's

730
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,990
wonderful that's a mistake I say it's it

731
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:14,940
kind of goes along with the line of I've

732
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,240
heard you say in your show that

733
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,860
disclosure will not be disclosure and it

734
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:21,720
unless it's exactly what someone wants

735
00:32:27,770 --> 00:32:23,610
to hear

736
00:32:29,659 --> 00:32:27,780
so yeah sure yeah yeah won't be accepted

737
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,669
as disclosure unless it's exactly what

738
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:32,340
somebody wants to hear I mean what one

739
00:32:38,299 --> 00:32:34,289
thing that this all these announcements

740
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:38,309
have been doing is we reaffirmed the DFO

741
00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:40,110
communities or at least people that are

742
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:42,780
into it their deeply held beliefs their

743
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:44,610
idea about what's been going on for a

744
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:48,360
long time it conforms to the myth that

745
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:51,030
we've built up about what all this is or

746
00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:52,919
at least what we think it is when I say

747
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:54,659
myth I don't mean something that's a lie

748
00:33:01,159 --> 00:32:58,500
I mean something or that's made up it's

749
00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:01,169
something that we all believe or a lot

750
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:03,150
of people believe based on what's been

751
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:06,090
going on what's popular who has the best

752
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:08,039
you know who has the best story who's

753
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:11,250
the most charismatic and those those

754
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:15,480
stories are being supported seemingly

755
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:18,179
almost a hundred percent by by some of

756
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:19,770
these releases and what some of these

757
00:33:25,010 --> 00:33:23,940
people are saying from to the stars that

758
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:25,020
kind of worries me

759
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:27,419
it worries me when you hear exactly what

760
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:29,010
you want to hear that that should make

761
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,690
you immediately wonder what's going on

762
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:33,120
and nobody a lot of people are you know

763
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:37,039
they're kind of mad about what they

764
00:33:41,419 --> 00:33:39,929
there's a vocal like a you know a vocal

765
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:41,429
minority saying we you know what I'm

766
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:43,260
saying we should we we should kind of

767
00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:45,330
step back here but a lot of people love

768
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:46,820
it they think it's great

769
00:33:54,970 --> 00:33:51,440
but III urge caution I also urge people

770
00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:54,980
not to get neither excited nor mad you

771
00:33:59,320 --> 00:33:57,740
know just just kind of Zen out listen to

772
00:34:01,360 --> 00:33:59,330
what's happening see what's happening

773
00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:01,370
and and see might what might come out of

774
00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:03,980
it because the minute you start what's

775
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:04,700
the word

776
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:06,409
the minute you start getting excited by

777
00:34:10,089 --> 00:34:07,970
something held up in front of your face

778
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:10,099
it looks all fun you're missing all the

779
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:11,450
other stuff that's going around on

780
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,060
around it that might not be so loud and

781
00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:16,639
fun and all that so that's what I

782
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:18,109
original a lot of people is just to be

783
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:20,810
unemotional about it yet interested does

784
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:22,280
that make sense yeah that's that's

785
00:34:28,899 --> 00:34:25,010
really a very good really really good

786
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,909
advice I think so I want to just first

787
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:31,040
of all we didn't actually say who you

788
00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:32,149
were

789
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:33,800
you've been on the show before I didn't

790
00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:35,540
think we really have to go there and so

791
00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:38,030
I will tell the listener that if you

792
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:40,280
search on youtube or on my podcasts on

793
00:34:46,690 --> 00:34:43,129
podcast UFO comm Greg Bishop we have a

794
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:46,700
interview we did and back in 2016 I

795
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:48,530
think was September 2016

796
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:50,450
so that's on there so you can find out

797
00:34:57,849 --> 00:34:54,800
all about Greg also on his websites and

798
00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:57,859
his podcast I highly recommend anyone to

799
00:35:03,609 --> 00:35:00,170
check out his podcast it really really

800
00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:03,619
is good he's fun and people that he his

801
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:06,200
guests are great as well so the one of

802
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:07,550
the questions that came in what's your

803
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:09,770
opinion on how encounters have totally

804
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:12,710
different experiences for individuals

805
00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:15,140
more to the point where some people do

806
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:17,420
not perceive the same vision or don't

807
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,700
even say see anything even though they

808
00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:21,200
may be standing right next to someone

809
00:35:26,349 --> 00:35:24,470
who does that's a good question yeah

810
00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:26,359
it's a great question I think it's right

811
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:27,740
in my wheelhouse right now because

812
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:29,480
that's something I'm working on at the

813
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:34,970
moment it's I say it's obvious to me

814
00:35:38,829 --> 00:35:37,130
that's a horrible thing to say it's like

815
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:38,839
what's not obvious to you you must be

816
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:42,800
insane what interests me right now is

817
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:45,770
when somebody has a weird experience be

818
00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:47,510
it a UFO abduction wherever you want to

819
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:50,900
call it you even you know ghost sees a

820
00:35:56,050 --> 00:35:53,569
cryptid something like that what is

821
00:35:57,220 --> 00:35:56,060
going on in their minds what is their

822
00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:57,230
mind trying to do when they see

823
00:36:00,440 --> 00:35:58,420
something that makes

824
00:36:02,849 --> 00:36:00,450
sense whatsoever to them and I think

825
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,859
everybody's an individual so everybody's

826
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:05,440
going to have a different reaction you

827
00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:07,420
know some of them most people if it's

828
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:09,220
far enough away a lot of people have

829
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:10,660
basically the same reaction that's a

830
00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:12,490
light doing weird things but as things

831
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:15,940
get closer and more defined and and

832
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:17,950
weirder and more frightening because

833
00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:18,910
it's right near you

834
00:36:25,319 --> 00:36:23,740
I think people's impressions and more

835
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:25,329
importantly their memories and what they

836
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:27,190
what they remember from it what they

837
00:36:32,609 --> 00:36:30,010
talk about those start to diverge based

838
00:36:34,799 --> 00:36:32,619
on their personal you know their

839
00:36:36,509 --> 00:36:34,809
background their DNA their biases their

840
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,519
upbringing what they read in the paper

841
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:38,079
that day you know what kind of day they

842
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:39,730
were having what kind of problems are

843
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:41,529
having they're like all these things

844
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:45,130
enter into a mind trying to make sense

845
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:47,220
of something that doesn't make any sense

846
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:50,740
there's also issues of like what happens

847
00:36:54,359 --> 00:36:52,390
to a trauma victim how do they remember

848
00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:54,369
things what does what does your mind and

849
00:36:58,859 --> 00:36:56,140
your perception do when you're seeing

850
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,869
something that is that you can't figure

851
00:37:02,009 --> 00:37:00,160
out if it's a threat or not because

852
00:37:05,099 --> 00:37:02,019
you've never seen something like that so

853
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,109
I think what accounts for this is that

854
00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:07,200
that divergence is just our

855
00:37:11,549 --> 00:37:09,789
individuality and how we react to the

856
00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:11,559
whatever weird thing is happening in the

857
00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:13,420
environment at the time I hope that

858
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:14,349
answers the question

859
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:17,950
it does Gregg we can you hear me okay

860
00:37:24,359 --> 00:37:22,000
yeah yeah you know I hate to do this in

861
00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:24,369
the middle of the show but I'm going to

862
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:26,589
have to reboot my rifle that there's two

863
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:28,930
different witnesses or what are you

864
00:37:34,769 --> 00:37:30,910
talking about when they come up with a

865
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,779
different whole different scenario yeah

866
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:37,599
there's there are instances where people

867
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:42,940
come up with a different scenario I have

868
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:45,190
an example from a long time ago where if

869
00:37:50,279 --> 00:37:47,490
somebody said that there was a large

870
00:37:53,490 --> 00:37:50,289
rectangular UFO landed in front of them

871
00:37:56,269 --> 00:37:53,500
I think this was from Kentucky I wish I

872
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,279
wish I could be more exact about it but

873
00:38:00,509 --> 00:37:58,720
that one of the witnesses says there

874
00:38:02,849 --> 00:38:00,519
were you know bees came out of it this

875
00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:02,859
big rectangular UFO looked like a I

876
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:04,509
don't know maybe maybe look like the

877
00:38:08,549 --> 00:38:06,730
size of a bus and the other person said

878
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:08,559
they saw a school bus a lot a bunch of

879
00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:11,160
kids in it going by

880
00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:15,160
so and you know that it'd be nice if I

881
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:17,950
had could have the newspaper and the

882
00:38:23,759 --> 00:38:21,480
date and all that to cite exactly but

883
00:38:27,779 --> 00:38:23,769
the fact that one of your listeners

884
00:38:30,269 --> 00:38:27,789
brought up the that that not everybody

885
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:30,279
always sees the same thing I think is

886
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:33,970
evidence that there is something going

887
00:38:40,009 --> 00:38:36,609
on that involves our consciousness and

888
00:38:42,749 --> 00:38:40,019
our way of thinking about things and

889
00:38:45,299 --> 00:38:42,759
everybody's personality etc what I said

890
00:38:48,779 --> 00:38:45,309
earlier it's coming through so many

891
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:48,789
different filters and so since you have

892
00:38:53,299 --> 00:38:50,170
so many different filters you're going

893
00:38:56,759 --> 00:38:53,309
to get different impressions different

894
00:38:59,099 --> 00:38:56,769
memories all that and I think by and

895
00:39:01,499 --> 00:38:59,109
large a lot of researchers ignore that

896
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:01,509
because it doesn't fit in with a certain

897
00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:03,730
paradigm they have for instance and I've

898
00:39:11,370 --> 00:39:06,700
said this before this guy that told me

899
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:11,380
the story of the rabbit he he told me an

900
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,910
apart from the you know some other

901
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:14,079
things that went on with his

902
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,210
investigation he said I don't think

903
00:39:19,259 --> 00:39:17,440
that's important at all it's just

904
00:39:21,269 --> 00:39:19,269
something silly that happened and we can

905
00:39:24,539 --> 00:39:21,279
ignore it and I said no it's not that's

906
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:24,549
the most important part of the the the

907
00:39:29,069 --> 00:39:27,490
account I think he said yeah but what do

908
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:29,079
you do with that and I said I don't know

909
00:39:33,299 --> 00:39:30,609
what you do with it but it should be it

910
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:33,309
should be logged it should be entered

911
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:36,970
into the database and see what can be

912
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:38,710
done with it I had my friend Susan st.

913
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:40,930
Clair on the show a few weeks ago and I

914
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:42,700
was we were talking about well what do

915
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:45,700
you do with these subjective and /

916
00:39:50,099 --> 00:39:47,950
impressions how do you categorize

917
00:39:52,799 --> 00:39:50,109
something that's how do you quantify

918
00:39:54,509 --> 00:39:52,809
something that's that's a qualitative

919
00:39:55,769 --> 00:39:54,519
you know so how do you take somebody's

920
00:39:59,220 --> 00:39:55,779
impression and put it into a database

921
00:40:01,140 --> 00:39:59,230
and what do you do with it and ice you

922
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:01,150
know the answer was we're not exactly

923
00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:03,730
sure what you do with it I mean what you

924
00:40:12,509 --> 00:40:06,849
can do with it but what she said was I

925
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:12,519
think if you look to cultural stories

926
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:15,880
myth archetypes things that people

927
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:17,529
things that people use in different

928
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:19,079
cultures to make sense out of the world

929
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:22,089
this might be something that is

930
00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:24,320
important when people have a strange

931
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,180
experience and don't filter what they

932
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:27,920
say and don't throw out anything they

933
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:29,690
say I think people are doing this now a

934
00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:31,130
lot of researchers are really listening

935
00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:32,990
to the witness and and letting them

936
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:35,660
speak which is good right you know

937
00:40:40,090 --> 00:40:37,910
getting back to the plaid bunny someone

938
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:40,100
wanted to know what that civilized but I

939
00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:42,290
do get it because you know I mean it's

940
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:44,990
like I have Mike McClelland coming on

941
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:47,750
he's been on before about owls you know

942
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:50,810
while people see owls and you know when

943
00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:53,560
there see a UFO and I actually talked to

944
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:55,940
someone in Native American country out

945
00:41:00,190 --> 00:40:58,610
in Arizona that never even talked about

946
00:41:01,870 --> 00:41:00,200
UFOs it was just someone like off the

947
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:01,880
street and I said a big owl came after

948
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:06,050
they saw a UFO it's bizarre and so I

949
00:41:11,350 --> 00:41:08,450
agree with you like that could be a clue

950
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:11,360
to something else so a question that

951
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:14,330
came in from chat is do you have any

952
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:17,870
thoughts around some in academic in the

953
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:20,150
academic world debating whether we are

954
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:23,210
living in a simulation is that something

955
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:26,630
you've ever talked about before I've

956
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:29,660
talked about it and it's part of what

957
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:33,610
I'm interested in right now I think that

958
00:41:40,030 --> 00:41:37,760
if you look at reality as as based in

959
00:41:42,490 --> 00:41:40,040
information rather than based in physics

960
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:42,500
which is a very big area and it still

961
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:43,910
gives me a headache to think about it

962
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:48,800
that there is an idea that the the the

963
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:51,140
the universe at its very base our

964
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:53,330
reality is is composed of information

965
00:41:59,740 --> 00:41:56,570
that by our consciousness interacting

966
00:42:04,030 --> 00:41:59,750
with it an existing causes the real

967
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:04,040
world to go to to to be created now that

968
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:07,970
sounds like solipsistic something a New

969
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:09,890
Age person would say but it's also

970
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:11,510
something that John Wheeler who was a

971
00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:14,210
Nobel Prize winning physicist said about

972
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:17,000
ten years before he died in the 1990s he

973
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:19,480
said I think at the base of all of our

974
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:22,520
reality is information and what we see

975
00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:25,310
as reality is the end of a series of

976
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:26,870
questions that we don't even realize

977
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:29,090
we're asking about it and forming it

978
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:32,390
into what we think is real and I was

979
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:34,310
speaking to a researcher about this and

980
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:37,530
he said well don't you see that

981
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:40,200
in a physical universe a lot of this

982
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:42,270
weird stuff just is weird it does it

983
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:45,140
doesn't make any sense there's no way to

984
00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:48,090
reconcile it with how we look at reality

985
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:49,830
how we how we think of reality and

986
00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:53,160
physics but in a informational universe

987
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:55,830
it's almost imperative that weird stuff

988
00:43:04,630 --> 00:42:59,520
happens does that make sense yeah that's

989
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:04,640
it that is interesting and also you know

990
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:07,110
when you're talking about information

991
00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:10,280
you know it just makes me first of all

992
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:12,740
do you think there's like a collective

993
00:43:18,590 --> 00:43:15,810
consciousness of people gathered and

994
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:18,600
witnessing something or how could

995
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:20,040
something like that happen when there's

996
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:23,400
like say a mass sighting of whether it's

997
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:26,220
a UFO or Bigfoot or whatever it is and

998
00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:28,200
something really on the outside

999
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:30,620
something paranormal that were just not

1000
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:36,570
doesn't fit the normal realm you are

1001
00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:39,030
you're asking how how is it if everybody

1002
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:40,700
has their own subjective imperson

1003
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,840
impression how is it that a lot of

1004
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:44,280
people see the same thing in certain

1005
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:48,480
situations I think that the people I

1006
00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:50,310
think that's because sometimes people

1007
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:52,590
see interpret things the same way and

1008
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:54,390
sometimes they don't if you're standing

1009
00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:56,280
there talking to a bunch of people and

1010
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:58,190
you say and you're giving a lecture

1011
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,060
thirty percent of the people are

1012
00:44:02,420 --> 00:44:01,440
thinking one thing thirty percent of

1013
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:02,430
people I think you know the thing

1014
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:03,960
although if you talk about something

1015
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:05,700
that everybody has experience with or

1016
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:07,290
knows about even on a subconscious level

1017
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:08,940
I think they're all pretty much

1018
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,460
following in the same way that you're

1019
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:12,960
they're all all thinking about the same

1020
00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:15,000
thing at the same time but when you

1021
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:16,230
start talking about something that they

1022
00:44:21,830 --> 00:44:18,870
don't all have experience with it starts

1023
00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:21,840
diverging so if people can you know a

1024
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:23,550
group of people can put the whatever it

1025
00:44:28,850 --> 00:44:25,670
is in front of them in the UFO box I

1026
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:28,860
think that the UFO box works for them

1027
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:31,290
and that they have some agreement on it

1028
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:33,300
also you know they talk about it later

1029
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:35,070
are you seeing what I'm saying they

1030
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,060
describe it to each other

1031
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,520
and just by talking about it encoding it

1032
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:40,980
in language and trying to make sense of

1033
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:44,040
it I think these memories are codified

1034
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:46,500
and created that way I mean it's a I

1035
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,850
gave a lecture and also wrote a piece

1036
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:53,040
or reframing the debate the UFOs were

1037
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,540
framing the debate book where I

1038
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:57,660
addressed this specifically in in in

1039
00:45:02,180 --> 00:45:00,420
regards to how lawyers are having

1040
00:45:04,850 --> 00:45:02,190
problems now with witness testimony

1041
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:04,860
because it can be coerced it can be

1042
00:45:11,540 --> 00:45:08,550
changed it can be it is subject to the

1043
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:11,550
questioner quite a bit so it's it's hard

1044
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,960
to you know give a good get a good exact

1045
00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:18,480
account because the person is not going

1046
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:19,860
to remember it exactly does it happen

1047
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:21,630
because our brain student and this has

1048
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:23,460
been proven our brains and our nervous

1049
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:26,430
systems are not recording devices they

1050
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:28,770
they whatever something happens your

1051
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:30,510
brain and your your nervous system and

1052
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:32,370
your your memory and all that is

1053
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:35,610
figuring out how to use this memory as

1054
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:38,670
something useful later not as something

1055
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:40,350
that happened and recording it saying

1056
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,330
that's what happened your consciousness

1057
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:44,280
pays attention to what is important to

1058
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:49,920
you and what you can use later such at

1059
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:51,900
like if your hat if you burn if you if

1060
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,310
you have a bad relationship and you

1061
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:55,680
break up you and the other person are

1062
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,970
not going to remember it the same way

1063
00:46:00,740 --> 00:45:58,560
because you have different impressions

1064
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:00,750
of it and both of you could be wrong

1065
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:02,520
both of you could be right who knows or

1066
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,120
both of you could become you know it's

1067
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:07,440
usually somewhere in between the two

1068
00:46:14,090 --> 00:46:10,380
impressions but the thing is the memory

1069
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:14,100
of it is being is being encoded in your

1070
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:15,540
mind in the way it makes the most sense

1071
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:16,890
to you and it can help you in the future

1072
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:18,270
like I'm going to avoid this kind of

1073
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:19,500
person in the future so I'm going to

1074
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:22,050
remember it this way you're not thinking

1075
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:23,940
of it that way but I think that's how it

1076
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:25,800
works and I think the some of the same

1077
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:28,830
stuff is going on with paranormal

1078
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:32,040
experiences and I'm not saying people

1079
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,930
make things that's one thing I've given

1080
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:35,520
this talk and a few people said well

1081
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,420
you're saying that people make

1082
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:38,160
everything up and it doesn't exist and

1083
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,170
you're a debunk or it's like that hasn't

1084
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,720
that is not what I'm saying at all what

1085
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:44,520
I'm saying is something weird happens

1086
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:46,920
but I don't know if our memories and our

1087
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:49,110
everything that we use to record that

1088
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:51,300
import and that impression is that

1089
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:54,660
accurate especially was something that

1090
00:46:57,830 --> 00:46:56,130
you can't produce on demand like

1091
00:46:59,950 --> 00:46:57,840
everybody knows what when if somebody

1092
00:47:01,940 --> 00:46:59,960
runs into somebody in a with a car

1093
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,950
everybody pretty much knows what that is

1094
00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:04,560
but you know having something strange

1095
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:06,360
walking into your bedroom at night not

1096
00:47:09,830 --> 00:47:08,130
everybody has that experience you can't

1097
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:09,840
have it on demand so there's there's

1098
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:11,850
some divergence about what's going on I

1099
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:13,470
mean there has to be because people

1100
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:15,240
don't have this frame of reference for

1101
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:17,610
it am I making sense yeah but you know

1102
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:19,410
what about people that are considered to

1103
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:24,030
be the trained observer you know say say

1104
00:47:29,330 --> 00:47:27,060
like a military pilot or say an

1105
00:47:31,070 --> 00:47:29,340
astronaut or a police officer you know

1106
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:31,080
these are all what they call trained

1107
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:33,780
observers you're saying not right and

1108
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:35,790
I've had this happen I was I forgot what

1109
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:38,670
course I was taking where and what but I

1110
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:42,150
would I had this situation where someone

1111
00:47:46,310 --> 00:47:44,040
came into a room and they did something

1112
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,320
real quickly and then left and then you

1113
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:48,900
know like five minutes later the person

1114
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,020
running the course said all right to say

1115
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:54,240
exactly what you just saw you know and

1116
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,310
you know some people said he had a brown

1117
00:47:59,960 --> 00:47:58,500
shirt somebody said he had a blue shirt

1118
00:48:01,060 --> 00:47:59,970
you know I mean it was really it was

1119
00:48:04,570 --> 00:48:01,070
actually kind of funny

1120
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:04,580
so but if you're actually trained to

1121
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:08,010
identify something that's your you know

1122
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:09,750
what you've been trained to do I think

1123
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:12,390
it's a little different than our mind

1124
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:15,480
does more and become in tuned with

1125
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:20,280
recording what we're seeing yeah yeah

1126
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:22,280
well they're trained observers in the

1127
00:48:28,070 --> 00:48:26,010
observations of what they expect if it's

1128
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:28,080
something that they don't expect I think

1129
00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:29,550
their minds gonna say well it's this

1130
00:48:34,610 --> 00:48:31,350
thing and everything will follow from

1131
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:34,620
that idea or if they have no idea maybe

1132
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:36,210
they just you know hopefully they just

1133
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:38,310
give subjective impressions however I

1134
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:40,440
also noticed another thing the closer an

1135
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:43,670
encounter is the more it affects people

1136
00:48:47,810 --> 00:48:46,110
you know what I mean the more it seems

1137
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:47,820
to be have more an effect on their

1138
00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:49,560
memories their psyche and everything the

1139
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:51,840
closer the encounter is if you just see

1140
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:53,190
a light flying through the sky most

1141
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:54,540
people are going to agree that there's a

1142
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:56,370
light flying that's through the sky but

1143
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,020
if something starts to approach you I

1144
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:00,900
think that the the impressions that

1145
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:02,370
people have in their memories start to

1146
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:04,050
diverge at that point unless they talk

1147
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,340
about it later and then they all kind of

1148
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:07,740
agree what that memory is and their

1149
00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:09,510
minds say okay we all experience this

1150
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:12,750
thing but I bet if you could separate

1151
00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:15,540
people during a close encounter and ask

1152
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:16,830
them all different all the same

1153
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,570
questions you would get

1154
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:20,400
divergent accounts may be widely

1155
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:23,910
divergent accounts well you know I

1156
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,280
talked to someone that not you know

1157
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:28,260
another person I love talking to people

1158
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,170
by the way that you casually meet

1159
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:33,180
somewhere and you bring up the UFO topic

1160
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:35,010
and someone in the room will say yeah

1161
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:36,900
well I saw one you know and they talked

1162
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,490
about it and so what about this just was

1163
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:43,440
reminding me of a person I spoke to and

1164
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,870
she said that Herat kept saying it was

1165
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:47,700
an airplane it was an airplane she said

1166
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:51,150
no that ain't no airplane is how she put

1167
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,650
it

1168
00:49:57,170 --> 00:49:54,240
and so what about that person that's

1169
00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:57,180
expecting to see an airplane and then

1170
00:50:01,700 --> 00:49:59,820
realizes something else how do you how

1171
00:50:04,220 --> 00:50:01,710
does that fit in your philosophy

1172
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,230
well your mind is going right back and

1173
00:50:07,610 --> 00:50:05,940
forth constantly going what is that what

1174
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,620
is that what is that what is that you're

1175
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:08,880
trying to figure that out we know that

1176
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:10,380
from talking to people and they're

1177
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:11,510
trying to come up with an explanation

1178
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:14,130
now at some point some people will be

1179
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:15,540
able to come up with an explanation and

1180
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:17,430
say whatever are they their mind says I

1181
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:19,230
really can't handle it this is unknown

1182
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:21,930
so I know that's an airplane so that's

1183
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:23,820
gonna be an airplane for them but other

1184
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:25,740
people might may not be so sure and

1185
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:28,020
they'll say I've you know I'm trusting

1186
00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:29,670
my eyes and it doesn't look like

1187
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,340
anything that I've ever seen before so I

1188
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:34,560
don't know what that was

1189
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:36,810
it's funny because I get to this point

1190
00:50:39,350 --> 00:50:38,190
where people say well people aren't you

1191
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:39,360
know you're saying people aren't seeing

1192
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:40,650
what they say they're saying in there

1193
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:44,370
they're there they're there just what's

1194
00:50:48,140 --> 00:50:45,510
the word they're just being inaccurate

1195
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,150
about it responses they're being as

1196
00:50:55,340 --> 00:50:50,880
accurate as they possibly can but we

1197
00:50:57,860 --> 00:50:55,350
have to realize that it is affected by

1198
00:50:59,780 --> 00:50:57,870
how they feel about it who else is there

1199
00:51:01,400 --> 00:50:59,790
what the time of the day it is what kind

1200
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:01,410
of person they are are they completely

1201
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:03,270
not interested in the subject have they

1202
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,650
never you know are they totally

1203
00:51:09,860 --> 00:51:07,440
interested in UFOs it's it's all

1204
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:09,870
subjective when it's going on which is

1205
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:11,610
why it's important I think to get all

1206
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:13,740
these subjective impersonations from

1207
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:15,870
people impersonations impressions from

1208
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:19,230
people no matter how insane they might

1209
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:22,800
see because seem because it's it will

1210
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:25,320
help it will help us I think to a

1211
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,420
greater understanding what's going on I

1212
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:29,400
see some of the people in the in the

1213
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:30,930
forums are saying you know I know what I

1214
00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:32,040
saw it's like I

1215
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:33,840
not say you didn't see what you saw I

1216
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:37,280
wasn't there I'm watching the chat now

1217
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:39,450
yeah is that what you're saying yeah

1218
00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:42,450
yeah I mean I sleep Reagan you'd be nice

1219
00:51:47,570 --> 00:51:46,080
to Greg in the chat room okay yeah no

1220
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:47,580
nobody's being rude they just have

1221
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,080
questions and they're saying well how

1222
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,880
can that be I know what I saw it's like

1223
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:53,760
I would never tell somebody you didn't

1224
00:51:59,840 --> 00:51:56,430
see that what I was what I would say is

1225
00:52:02,030 --> 00:51:59,850
that is your impression that should be

1226
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:02,040
entered into the database and I you know

1227
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:03,870
I honor that you saw what you say you

1228
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:07,050
saw but I don't know what it was I

1229
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,670
wasn't standing there neither you know

1230
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:10,500
you know and now there was the

1231
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:11,940
researcher who talks to you or your

1232
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:13,500
friends that you tell about later so

1233
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:15,750
speaking of that have you actually ever

1234
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:21,780
seen a UFO you know a couple of times

1235
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:24,750
but never close enough to be exciting I

1236
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:27,330
saw a light over Death Valley or near

1237
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:29,610
Death Valley it appeared to be over the

1238
00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:31,110
mercury test site you know we're all the

1239
00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:33,870
in Nevada where all the atomic bombs

1240
00:52:37,310 --> 00:52:35,580
were set off in the 50s and 60s

1241
00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:37,320
I think 70s I think they stopped in the

1242
00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:39,990
70s but yeah I was driving to Death

1243
00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:41,430
Valley like 3:00 in the morning when

1244
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:43,080
somebody so it's really really bright

1245
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:45,360
white light I couldn't even tell how far

1246
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,350
away it was but if I had to you know

1247
00:52:53,810 --> 00:52:50,940
estimate it was probably over the border

1248
00:52:56,570 --> 00:52:53,820
in Nevada which was over the mercury

1249
00:53:00,080 --> 00:52:56,580
test site or you know maybe near area 51

1250
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:00,090
or something it did not move it just sat

1251
00:53:04,850 --> 00:53:02,130
there it was really bright it was not a

1252
00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:04,860
star and it was there for a few hours

1253
00:53:09,350 --> 00:53:07,590
and now maybe was one o'clock and so it

1254
00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:09,360
like 4:00 in the morning after looking

1255
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:10,830
at for a while going back in my hotel

1256
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,690
room coming back out looking at it

1257
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:14,160
finally one time I came out and it

1258
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:14,970
wasn't there anymore

1259
00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:16,740
I looked at it through binoculars and it

1260
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:18,630
just looked like a blob it just looked

1261
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:20,010
like a bright blob but the thing isn't

1262
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:22,470
so far away the atmosphere is is making

1263
00:53:26,090 --> 00:53:24,300
it look like that but it wasn't an

1264
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:26,100
airplane because it didn't move and it

1265
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:28,560
wasn't a star because a star and you

1266
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:30,510
know the background stars moved over

1267
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:32,010
those four hours and the moon move but

1268
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:34,140
the spot did so it was something that's

1269
00:53:39,110 --> 00:53:36,540
that was floating in the air the other

1270
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:39,120
thing I saw was a very strange shape

1271
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:41,640
near the Santa Barbara Airport near

1272
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:44,550
sunset I don't know about maybe eight or

1273
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:45,630
nine years ago

1274
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:48,690
and I described it in it defies language

1275
00:53:52,579 --> 00:53:51,210
what I saw it made no sense to me it

1276
00:53:55,279 --> 00:53:52,589
just looked like it looked like a big

1277
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:55,289
black thing made out of six looked like

1278
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:00,420
black like hexagonal tubes as if they

1279
00:54:04,579 --> 00:54:02,730
were giant pencils it was about a

1280
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:04,589
quarter quarter mile away from me and

1281
00:54:07,249 --> 00:54:05,579
look and they were arranged like a

1282
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,259
weight like a wheel but with no rim

1283
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:08,640
around it was just the spokes of a wheel

1284
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:11,880
and one side of it had black a black

1285
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,130
line and little-little had black

1286
00:54:23,299 --> 00:54:21,900
rectangles along the line and some

1287
00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:23,309
people said well maybe it was a kite I

1288
00:54:27,799 --> 00:54:24,839
said I don't think it was a kite because

1289
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,809
it was stock still it did not move and

1290
00:54:31,099 --> 00:54:29,400
the funny thing was I was just in a

1291
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:31,109
private plane that took off over right

1292
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:32,849
where that thing was an hour before and

1293
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:35,220
it wasn't there then so I called the I

1294
00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:37,410
called the control tower the next day

1295
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:39,660
the dumb thing was as I saw it from a

1296
00:54:43,999 --> 00:54:41,990
quarter-mile away and then I went home I

1297
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:44,009
don't know why I did that

1298
00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:45,960
it's like oh that's very weird I guess I

1299
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:48,390
better go home now so and this is what

1300
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:49,680
happens to a lot of people they see

1301
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:52,680
something very strange and their mind

1302
00:54:56,589 --> 00:54:53,970
doesn't register that it's something

1303
00:54:59,059 --> 00:54:56,599
very strange that they should

1304
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:59,069
investigate or pay attention to that's

1305
00:55:01,789 --> 00:55:00,180
what my mind get I mean I've been

1306
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,799
looking at the stuff for years and I

1307
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:03,660
spun suddenly finally see something

1308
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:06,690
extremely weird in the sky and I leave

1309
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:07,950
and it wasn't that high in the sky

1310
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:09,210
either it was like maybe a hundred feet

1311
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:09,900
off the ground

1312
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:12,329
it might have been 80 or 100 feet across

1313
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:13,710
and it's about a quarter mile away from

1314
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:16,170
me floating over a saltmarsh next to the

1315
00:55:20,269 --> 00:55:17,849
beach near the end of a runway at Santa

1316
00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:20,279
Barbara Airport I called the control

1317
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:21,750
tower the next day and they said we had

1318
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:23,670
no reports of anything like that it's

1319
00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:27,240
like really it was right there it was

1320
00:55:31,059 --> 00:55:28,859
completely visible you would have seen

1321
00:55:34,279 --> 00:55:31,069
it from the control tower easier than me

1322
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:34,289
but they said nope nothing like that

1323
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:38,970
isn't that something well I actually

1324
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:41,640
know someone a friend who their whole

1325
00:55:46,339 --> 00:55:44,490
family had a UFO sighting and it was

1326
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:46,349
really strange these things like we're

1327
00:55:51,859 --> 00:55:49,740
hovering over power lines and going up

1328
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:51,869
and down and like not really moving

1329
00:55:57,740 --> 00:55:55,049
going you know just up and down

1330
00:55:59,840 --> 00:55:57,750
basically and so the whole family got

1331
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,850
bored and went inside except for her

1332
00:56:03,859 --> 00:56:01,680
you know they're like oh well that's

1333
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:03,869
cool and just went inside like they had

1334
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:05,820
enough of it and for about five minutes

1335
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:09,530
and that was another lasted a long time

1336
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:12,810
yeah somewhere in their mind people say

1337
00:56:17,330 --> 00:56:15,330
I really can't make any sense of this so

1338
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:17,340
it just kind of Dean Radin told me this

1339
00:56:20,570 --> 00:56:19,020
when I talk to me says well I think a

1340
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:20,580
lot of weird things happen to people but

1341
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:22,380
they have no place to put it in their

1342
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,180
minds it just kind of falls off the

1343
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:25,680
table which is why you hear people

1344
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,810
saying remember that time where we saw

1345
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:30,480
that thing or you know it was real and

1346
00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:32,130
that big light came in the room and a

1347
00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:34,230
group of people will not talk about

1348
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:36,119
something for years or you won't talk

1349
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:37,470
about something for years and suddenly

1350
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:39,030
something jogs your memory you think of

1351
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:40,650
it and the oh and you know the

1352
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:42,510
explanation for that is Raiden told me

1353
00:56:45,740 --> 00:56:44,070
he thought was well your mind has no

1354
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,750
place to put it there's no drawer to put

1355
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:47,280
it in so it just falls off the table

1356
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:49,590
until something jogs your memory again

1357
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:52,410
many years later which is another

1358
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:53,910
strange thing that happens with this

1359
00:56:58,550 --> 00:56:57,240
with this phenomenon right I'm gonna get

1360
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:58,560
to another one of these questions we

1361
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:00,900
have here with regards to alleged

1362
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:03,720
abduction encounters the norm is that

1363
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:06,290
ETS are interested in our biology and

1364
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:09,540
give physical examinations do you think

1365
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:14,070
this is much deeper in and that they may

1366
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:15,960
be more interested in our emotional

1367
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:19,080
response consciousness or our souls

1368
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:20,940
that's another question that came in

1369
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:24,000
through email yeah I think Carla Turner

1370
00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:25,590
said that a long time ago I don't know

1371
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:27,600
what happens during abductions I have no

1372
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:30,210
idea nobody has a video of it or

1373
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:31,440
anything like that or at least anything

1374
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:33,210
where they can say this is exactly what

1375
00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:37,500
happened but from the subjective

1376
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:38,820
experience of people who have gone

1377
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:41,190
through it it seems like it's more

1378
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:43,650
intimately intimately connected to what

1379
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:45,450
Cubans are what we're doing and how we

1380
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:48,690
feel about things than any kind of

1381
00:57:52,550 --> 00:57:50,550
biological experiment or anything like

1382
00:57:53,660 --> 00:57:52,560
that which leads me to believe that it

1383
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:53,670
has nothing to do with you know

1384
00:57:59,840 --> 00:57:55,350
scientists coming here to do anything

1385
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,850
but it has more to do with what we look

1386
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:02,160
like to something else that's not us if

1387
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:03,150
that makes sense

1388
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:06,720
hmm so you know and I don't know I don't

1389
00:58:09,590 --> 00:58:08,130
know what that thing is I'm not going to

1390
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:09,600
say it's aliens from other planets or

1391
00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:13,440
anything it's uh it's it's I think it's

1392
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:15,120
it's a subjective experience and it's

1393
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:16,710
been I think it's been changed by

1394
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:18,390
researchers trying to figure out what it

1395
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:22,140
is and telling people what it is you

1396
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,460
know you've been at this a real long

1397
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:24,960
time and I have a lot of friends that I

1398
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:27,420
talk to quite often that also have been

1399
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:30,660
at it a very long time do you sometimes

1400
00:58:35,060 --> 00:58:32,910
get frustrated I notice that going way

1401
00:58:37,310 --> 00:58:35,070
off our topic do you get frustrated and

1402
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:37,320
say sometimes you just want to hang your

1403
00:58:43,790 --> 00:58:40,650
hat up on the whole UFO thing that's

1404
00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:43,800
what ya the friends say you know a lot

1405
00:58:47,810 --> 00:58:45,870
of people come in to have that happen

1406
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:47,820
there's like okay that's it I don't want

1407
00:58:50,660 --> 00:58:49,260
anything to do with it anymore then they

1408
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:50,670
come back

1409
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:52,650
Jim Mosely had that happened Don Ecker

1410
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,810
had that happen to them there's there's

1411
00:58:59,090 --> 00:58:56,400
so many people that just get sick of it

1412
00:59:01,160 --> 00:58:59,100
because you know I think one it's an

1413
00:59:05,540 --> 00:59:01,170
it's an insane thing to be interested in

1414
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:05,550
and it'll drive you crazy too I think

1415
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:08,310
the phenomenon in some way access is

1416
00:59:12,290 --> 00:59:10,770
part of our mind that is not stable you

1417
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:12,300
know what I mean it's a destabilizing

1418
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:16,490
thing to be interested in this stuff and

1419
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:18,810
but the thing is if you've got a certain

1420
00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:20,460
mindset where you're into it you you

1421
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:22,440
can't get away from it I haven't heard

1422
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:24,060
too many people walk away from it never

1423
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:26,970
come back there's still some interest

1424
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:29,130
I had Jeff fritzman on my show and he

1425
00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:32,210
was saying that the you know the UFO

1426
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:34,350
encounter or whatever it is that you're

1427
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:37,080
encountering with the within this in

1428
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:41,160
this area seems to thrive on any calls

1429
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:42,450
that you know it's part of the trickster

1430
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,330
things that aren't stable it's the you

1431
00:59:54,020 --> 00:59:52,440
know liminal states like people have

1432
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:54,030
these things happening to them when

1433
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,110
they're when during a divorce or

1434
01:00:01,550 --> 00:59:59,760
something else is going on in their life

1435
01:00:02,780 --> 01:00:01,560
that's that's not stable or if something

1436
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:02,790
that they do have a stable life and this

1437
01:00:07,550 --> 01:00:04,260
happens to them it completely

1438
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:07,560
destabilizes them so it's it's it's not

1439
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:10,740
something to be messed with if you want

1440
01:00:15,110 --> 01:00:13,140
you know if you want to at least in a

1441
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:15,120
very intimate way if you want a you know

1442
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:18,480
a quiet normal not very exciting life

1443
01:00:24,140 --> 01:00:21,330
I've never thought of it that way I've

1444
01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:24,150
thought of my interest in the topic is a

1445
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:26,580
almost an optimistic one and

1446
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:29,520
way of you know listening to what people

1447
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:31,950
have to say but also thinking you know

1448
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:34,890
it's possible we're not alone and so and

1449
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:37,170
it's possible not such a boring world

1450
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:39,480
you know I mean there's there's a lot of

1451
01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:41,130
things yeah yeah you know make me

1452
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:42,750
interested in it that I yeah I don't

1453
01:00:47,950 --> 01:00:46,260
necessarily think unstable but alright

1454
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:47,960
so you're talking about people that

1455
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:50,880
always come back what about your friend

1456
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:53,700
build more I know you know there was

1457
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:56,610
kind of the incident back what year was

1458
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:01,740
that were he 1889 1989 and I know you're

1459
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:05,640
good friends with built so yeah so what

1460
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:08,880
about him he has no interest at all in

1461
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:10,310
coming back

1462
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:14,730
correct yes correct

1463
01:01:20,660 --> 01:01:18,510
he's one person that escaped it he just

1464
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:20,670
decided that he was sick of the noise

1465
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:25,260
and that what he had been through he

1466
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:27,570
could not explain to people and he

1467
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:29,310
actually also said look if I had to do

1468
01:01:33,050 --> 01:01:30,510
it over again I wouldn't be so arrogant

1469
01:01:35,570 --> 01:01:33,060
about it which he has you know he's like

1470
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:35,580
the admitted to be but his frustration

1471
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:38,460
stem from I am doing these things I am

1472
01:01:42,110 --> 01:01:40,740
researching these things I am talking to

1473
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:42,120
these people I'm looking at these

1474
01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:44,220
documents and people are coming in and

1475
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:47,600
yelling at me giving you know

1476
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:49,380
criticizing me for things that I've

1477
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:51,810
never said never done and did not intend

1478
01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:53,700
to do and never had into their saying

1479
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:55,260
why do you do why did you do this well I

1480
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:57,690
didn't do that why do you seem to think

1481
01:02:01,010 --> 01:01:59,460
this way well I don't think that way and

1482
01:02:02,690 --> 01:02:01,020
he said that happened over and over and

1483
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,700
over and over over it he just got tired

1484
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:05,520
of the emotional reactions that's

1485
01:02:09,110 --> 01:02:07,080
another thing about the UFO thing there

1486
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:09,120
there I was talking to somebody that is

1487
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:10,680
you know he's got his foot in the ghost

1488
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:12,510
community and in Bigfoot community and

1489
01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:14,040
all that he said that the UFO community

1490
01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:16,700
seems to have the most rabid fights

1491
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:19,950
about about what's going on in it and

1492
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:21,780
we're trying to figure out why is it

1493
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:24,480
that the UFO community and the UFO

1494
01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:29,250
subject inspires such emotional reaction

1495
01:02:34,850 --> 01:02:32,540
at such an emotional connection and I

1496
01:02:36,830 --> 01:02:34,860
think it's because it's you can't really

1497
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:36,840
pin it down you know Bigfoot's Bigfoot a

1498
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:39,420
ghost as it ghosts but a UFO it's it's

1499
01:02:42,330 --> 01:02:40,240
it's

1500
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:42,340
any different things and people can't

1501
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:44,020
agree on it and I think there's actually

1502
01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:46,270
something about the subject itself or

1503
01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:48,310
the source of it whatever intelligence

1504
01:02:53,850 --> 01:02:50,800
is behind her or whatever that just

1505
01:02:55,950 --> 01:02:53,860
doesn't mesh with our our rational minds

1506
01:02:59,100 --> 01:02:55,960
very well and we try to be rational

1507
01:03:01,400 --> 01:02:59,110
people so it messes with that that makes

1508
01:03:04,170 --> 01:03:01,410
sense yeah we have a caller on the line

1509
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:04,180
caller your first name and where are you

1510
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:06,010
calling from

1511
01:03:11,850 --> 01:03:09,270
it's Andy from Stratford calling again

1512
01:03:14,310 --> 01:03:11,860
hi Andy welcome to the show do you have

1513
01:03:17,550 --> 01:03:14,320
a question for our guest tonight hey

1514
01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:17,560
Andy no not a question guys but a story

1515
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:19,660
and I've really only told this story

1516
01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:23,410
just a few times in my life and there

1517
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:26,620
early 90s when I was in college I was in

1518
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:29,410
the Army National Guard in New Hampshire

1519
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:32,740
and we were training over in Vermont

1520
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:36,310
near Mount Stowe and the Ethan Allen

1521
01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:39,880
firing range and about I was in my early

1522
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:42,100
20s this happened about I'm going to say

1523
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:44,290
four o'clock in the morning we were on

1524
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:46,260
night maneuvers and we were waiting for

1525
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:52,690
the enemy to attack us and it was very

1526
01:03:56,910 --> 01:03:54,370
quiet and then all of a sudden the

1527
01:03:59,550 --> 01:03:56,920
shooting began but it begin on the other

1528
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,560
side of our perimeter so we my buddy and

1529
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:00,880
I knew we weren't going to see any

1530
01:04:06,020 --> 01:04:03,850
fighting and within a few moments of

1531
01:04:09,810 --> 01:04:06,030
that the gunfire and our artillery

1532
01:04:13,260 --> 01:04:09,820
rounds and everything starting a green

1533
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:13,270
glowing ball came out of the woods

1534
01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:16,930
towards us we watched it approach we

1535
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:19,540
watched it cross our path and then go

1536
01:04:25,050 --> 01:04:21,910
off into the distance about the speed of

1537
01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:25,060
a dog might run it was maybe 15 20 feet

1538
01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:25,840
off the ground

1539
01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:28,840
about 40 feet away from us and it was a

1540
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:33,400
glowing like a sickly green almost like

1541
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:36,790
a glow stick that's dying and it was

1542
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:39,010
dodging tree branches and it was

1543
01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:42,490
intelligently controlled and the two of

1544
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:45,640
us watched it go by as plain as day and

1545
01:04:51,810 --> 01:04:48,250
both looked at each other and said what

1546
01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:51,820
the hell was that and it stuck with me

1547
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:54,040
my entire life

1548
01:05:00,540 --> 01:04:57,610
I'll never explain it and it was just so

1549
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:00,550
bizarre and yet it was right there in

1550
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:03,940
front of me as plain as could be mm-hmm

1551
01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:07,930
and he saw you know my buddy that got it

1552
01:05:14,250 --> 01:05:10,630
was Whitney saw it and I've just never

1553
01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:14,260
forgotten it and years later I thought I

1554
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:17,500
saw a similar green light once and every

1555
01:05:21,810 --> 01:05:19,570
nerve in my body went into alert it's

1556
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:21,820
scared too scared the hell out of me and

1557
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:25,510
I broke into a sweat and you know it was

1558
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:27,490
a false alarm but I couldn't believe how

1559
01:05:33,060 --> 01:05:30,130
badly it scared me just to think that I

1560
01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:33,070
was about to see it again mm-hmm and I

1561
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:34,900
it's I've seen some other weird stuff

1562
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:37,650
but that's definitely the weirdest one

1563
01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:40,630
so was it just two people just two

1564
01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:43,000
people that witnessed it or was it the

1565
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,300
whole yeah myself and one other guy I

1566
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,400
was a 60 gunner and this guy was my

1567
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:50,160
assistant gunner we were in a foxhole

1568
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:52,660
the Sun was just kind of becoming

1569
01:05:56,310 --> 01:05:54,670
Twilight and you know we had

1570
01:05:57,810 --> 01:05:56,320
night-vision goggles with us and stuff I

1571
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,820
didn't even think to use them it all

1572
01:06:02,100 --> 01:05:58,960
happened so quickly

1573
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:02,110
but this thing was silent and it was I

1574
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:04,330
mean I'll never forget it it's burned

1575
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:06,010
into my mind and that opened me up to

1576
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:08,530
the idea that there's so much more to

1577
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:13,090
our reality than we are want to admit or

1578
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:16,450
most people can cope with well very good

1579
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:19,510
that's it that's that's my story Rocky

1580
01:06:24,450 --> 01:06:22,090
all right thanks for the call thank you

1581
01:06:26,610 --> 01:06:24,460
it's a great story I liked it

1582
01:06:29,370 --> 01:06:26,620
yeah no problem yeah you're welcome good

1583
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:29,380
good show except for the buffering but

1584
01:06:37,070 --> 01:06:32,050
who knows yeah all right I hope it's not

1585
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:39,090
I'll let you go Martin

1586
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:42,250
all right thanks right yeah yep all

1587
01:06:49,230 --> 01:06:45,970
right all right yeah that's uh I love to

1588
01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:49,240
hear like military-type incidents I know

1589
01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:50,950
there was a at least one of those in

1590
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:52,600
your book I think I saw something in

1591
01:07:00,270 --> 01:06:57,090
there yeah so those that those are great

1592
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:00,280
now ball of light phenomena is it's been

1593
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:02,530
going on for hundreds and hundreds and

1594
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:04,770
hundreds of years probably longer

1595
01:07:14,620 --> 01:07:10,500
and it's that you know all countries all

1596
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:14,630
cultures and it still happens now and

1597
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:16,680
there's a lot of theories about what

1598
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:18,690
these balls of light might be is what he

1599
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:20,730
describes actually also sounds and I

1600
01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:22,170
don't say that this is what it is but it

1601
01:07:25,220 --> 01:07:23,460
sounds like when people describe ball

1602
01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:25,230
lightning it seems like it has an

1603
01:07:29,810 --> 01:07:27,270
intelligence to it and will dodge around

1604
01:07:31,550 --> 01:07:29,820
things and so who knows what these

1605
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:31,560
things are bowling they think is some

1606
01:07:37,580 --> 01:07:34,619
sort of electric plasma but there's

1607
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:37,590
other forms of weather what are they

1608
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,130
called but Bo Elle's balls of light all

1609
01:07:47,810 --> 01:07:44,160
kinds of different colors a lot of them

1610
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,820
tend to be kind of kind of a reddish or

1611
01:07:52,850 --> 01:07:49,920
a peachy color I've heard a lot of those

1612
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:52,860
well yeah that's that's who knows what's

1613
01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:55,730
going on with that but it's a and and

1614
01:07:59,570 --> 01:07:57,750
what controls them or what's behind

1615
01:08:01,460 --> 01:07:59,580
there this is a natural phenomena or

1616
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:01,470
they're some kind of consciousness that

1617
01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:03,330
appears as a ball of light to us who

1618
01:08:09,380 --> 01:08:05,820
knows now you actually had in your book

1619
01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:09,390
somewhere where there was some type of

1620
01:08:15,290 --> 01:08:12,080
military program where they were

1621
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:15,300
experimenting with pulses plasma pulses

1622
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:16,920
do you think there was actually

1623
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:20,430
something to that you know I'm trying to

1624
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:22,620
remember what that remember that what

1625
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:25,620
that was well I know your book it was

1626
01:08:33,530 --> 01:08:29,220
something done in the 1990s I think and

1627
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:33,540
maybe Kirkland or somewhere oh it might

1628
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:35,310
have had something to do with what's

1629
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:39,270
that called crossed lasers they would

1630
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:41,190
cross them in the atmosphere and where

1631
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:43,560
the lasers crossed the the the air would

1632
01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:45,299
be superheated the point where it create

1633
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:49,220
a it would push the matter into the

1634
01:08:56,769 --> 01:08:54,000
fourth form of of matter which is a

1635
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:56,779
plasma solid with liquid gas and plasma

1636
01:09:01,220 --> 01:08:59,460
and the air would become superheated and

1637
01:09:03,230 --> 01:09:01,230
turn into a plasma and cause these balls

1638
01:09:05,450 --> 01:09:03,240
of light yeah I think that's what

1639
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:05,460
referring to yeah people said you know

1640
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:06,930
you wrote about this thing it's like

1641
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:09,060
well I don't remember and they said well

1642
01:09:12,170 --> 01:09:10,440
how can you not remember you

1643
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:12,180
I said can you remember a conversation

1644
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,370
you had 10 years ago it's sometimes what

1645
01:09:22,999 --> 01:09:19,440
I wrote about but that's what I seem to

1646
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:23,009
remember and that they had created some

1647
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:26,940
sort of a filter on these laser beams so

1648
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:28,410
that when they didn't meet at a certain

1649
01:09:34,579 --> 01:09:30,449
point in the air that the crossbeams

1650
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:34,589
would create a ball of plasma or they

1651
01:09:37,249 --> 01:09:35,790
could cross them at you know at a

1652
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:37,259
missile or something like that be able

1653
01:09:41,959 --> 01:09:39,000
to shoot it down now they've got lasers

1654
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:41,969
they're so so powerful that they can

1655
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:43,560
just use one laser and shoot down a

1656
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:46,049
missile it's been there's there's videos

1657
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:48,060
of it online actually and they've got

1658
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,560
airborne lasers now that's what they

1659
01:09:53,539 --> 01:09:51,839
were testing at Kirtland for a while

1660
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:53,549
the problem was they couldn't get enough

1661
01:10:02,090 --> 01:10:00,239
power to get the laser to to to to be

1662
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:02,100
able to destroy anything but now they've

1663
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:04,230
got they've got they've miniaturized

1664
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,510
everything they've got bigger batteries

1665
01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:07,920
I guess they use capacitors and they

1666
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:10,710
charge them up and then they do a laser

1667
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:12,570
pulse with all this power on it and then

1668
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:14,160
immediately they start charging up the

1669
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:16,590
the capacitors again so they can throw

1670
01:10:19,729 --> 01:10:18,690
them another laser pulse out so it's

1671
01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:19,739
it's gotten to the point where they

1672
01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:20,760
could just they have a little ball on

1673
01:10:24,979 --> 01:10:23,430
the front of the plane with a with a

1674
01:10:26,660 --> 01:10:24,989
mirror in it they can point it you know

1675
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:26,670
300 well not right at the plane

1676
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,600
obviously but it has a great arc and so

1677
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,400
they can actually track a missile or

1678
01:10:36,110 --> 01:10:34,320
something like that and actually damage

1679
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:36,120
it enough to to destroy it so they

1680
01:10:41,420 --> 01:10:38,449
basically have they have death rays

1681
01:10:43,220 --> 01:10:41,430
finally Tesla would be proud we have

1682
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:43,230
another caller on the line caller where

1683
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:44,850
are you calling from and your first name

1684
01:10:51,979 --> 01:10:48,090
please hey Martin

1685
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:51,989
hi Greg yeah yeah you can speak up a

1686
01:10:58,370 --> 01:10:54,420
little though okay good

1687
01:11:00,439 --> 01:10:58,380
so I'm Jay Allen from San Diego at the

1688
01:11:01,490 --> 01:11:00,449
moment welcome to the show

1689
01:11:04,670 --> 01:11:01,500
do you have a question for our guest

1690
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,680
thank you yeah yeah so I was gonna I'm

1691
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:06,000
gonna sort of call in and tell you a

1692
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,020
story also as a trained observer if

1693
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:12,780
that's okay because that seems to be

1694
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:15,000
sort of a key word and every time I hear

1695
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:16,320
it I'm like man there are so many

1696
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:19,650
trained observers out there that a lot

1697
01:11:24,409 --> 01:11:22,650
of us you know the position that I was

1698
01:11:26,989 --> 01:11:24,419
in

1699
01:11:30,649 --> 01:11:26,999
and made it impossible to actually file

1700
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:30,659
a report or do anything about it but I

1701
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:32,729
can tell you I can tell you a story

1702
01:11:38,179 --> 01:11:34,110
it's just can't it just can't be

1703
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:38,189
official you know I mean so yeah just

1704
01:11:42,969 --> 01:11:40,169
real quick not to brag but I'm just

1705
01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:42,979
going to tell you a little bit of my bio

1706
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:45,719
I'm a military veteran I was in the Air

1707
01:11:50,209 --> 01:11:47,610
Force I went to air traffic control

1708
01:11:55,009 --> 01:11:50,219
school went to flight school became an

1709
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:55,019
aerospace engineer I have 22 years in

1710
01:12:03,350 --> 01:11:57,449
aerospace at this point and I'm still in

1711
01:12:08,299 --> 01:12:03,360
it today active and I can tell you that

1712
01:12:10,219 --> 01:12:08,309
I work on the tip-top of the iceberg of

1713
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:10,229
the technology that we know about today

1714
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:13,289
we work on DARPA programs the highest

1715
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:14,550
level stuff that we know that's out

1716
01:12:19,609 --> 01:12:17,820
there before I I don't know if

1717
01:12:24,139 --> 01:12:19,619
everybody's heard of Lockheed skunkworks

1718
01:12:26,929 --> 01:12:24,149
with Boeing also has a Boeing also has a

1719
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,939
division called phantom works and that's

1720
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:28,800
what I work that's basically basically

1721
01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:30,510
the classified

1722
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:33,659
you know R&D programs out there but I

1723
01:12:41,149 --> 01:12:37,110
happen to be out in oddly enough Nevada

1724
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:41,159
Test range and we were at Creech Air

1725
01:12:46,669 --> 01:12:43,409
Force Base it was about probably about

1726
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:46,679
four years ago when this happens and I

1727
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:48,570
don't know if you guys know but Creech

1728
01:12:52,669 --> 01:12:50,729
is in Indian Springs Nevada and it's

1729
01:12:56,449 --> 01:12:52,679
just on the other side of the mountain

1730
01:12:58,189 --> 01:12:56,459
from area 51 hmm and we were doing night

1731
01:13:00,199 --> 01:12:58,199
operations there I'm not going to tell

1732
01:13:01,580 --> 01:13:00,209
you what we were doing we were doing

1733
01:13:03,949 --> 01:13:01,590
some night operations there with about

1734
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:03,959
eight other military personnel and we

1735
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:06,530
happen to step outside of our skiff and

1736
01:13:14,629 --> 01:13:13,110
there are these just super bright orbs I

1737
01:13:18,259 --> 01:13:14,639
think we were just talking about Ward's

1738
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:18,269
but there were super bright orbs outside

1739
01:13:24,169 --> 01:13:20,280
so bright that we thought that they were

1740
01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:24,179
helicopters I mean literally sending a

1741
01:13:28,939 --> 01:13:26,550
spotlight directly at us but there was

1742
01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:28,949
no you know there was no circle on the

1743
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:30,780
ground where the spotlight would hit it

1744
01:13:34,909 --> 01:13:33,689
was just you know that's that's what

1745
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:34,919
that was our first impression because

1746
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,510
we're in military airspace and then

1747
01:13:41,729 --> 01:13:39,760
we realized that guess what it's

1748
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:41,739
midnight there's no flight operations

1749
01:13:45,810 --> 01:13:43,329
allowed after 10:00 p.m. because of

1750
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:45,820
civilians are around and noise ordinance

1751
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:50,800
so we've got to assume that you know if

1752
01:13:54,899 --> 01:13:53,260
it's if it's a flight operation then

1753
01:13:57,089 --> 01:13:54,909
it's unauthorized or if it's or it's

1754
01:13:59,279 --> 01:13:57,099
special ops but there is ZERO sound I

1755
01:14:01,709 --> 01:13:59,289
don't know he's been in the desert at

1756
01:14:03,899 --> 01:14:01,719
midnight when there's no flight

1757
01:14:05,790 --> 01:14:03,909
operations and no traffic you can hear

1758
01:14:07,169 --> 01:14:05,800
you can hear miles and miles away you

1759
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:07,179
can hear a cricket eight miles away

1760
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:13,300
probably but these we thought they were

1761
01:14:17,459 --> 01:14:15,369
helicopters until they started rotating

1762
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:17,469
and doing these maneuvers they're

1763
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:19,090
literally hovering but there was no

1764
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:22,239
sound they were just the brightest thing

1765
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,610
we have ever seen and they started

1766
01:14:27,899 --> 01:14:26,320
rotating around each other which which

1767
01:14:29,370 --> 01:14:27,909
is how we knew it was impossible to be a

1768
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:29,380
helicopter you have this thing called

1769
01:14:34,589 --> 01:14:33,010
ground effect and rotor wash so if you

1770
01:14:35,939 --> 01:14:34,599
have a helicopter go on top of another

1771
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:35,949
helicopter just knock it right out of

1772
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:40,090
the sky and I have no idea why they

1773
01:14:45,209 --> 01:14:42,730
would be circling around each other

1774
01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:45,219
these orbs but they were and it was

1775
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:50,409
right in front of us and it could so

1776
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,690
they were hovering with no sound

1777
01:14:56,759 --> 01:14:53,440
anything hovering is gonna be a

1778
01:14:59,220 --> 01:14:56,769
helicopter and but at the same time we

1779
01:15:01,080 --> 01:14:59,230
know for sure from pella card helicopter

1780
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:01,090
flight dynamics that it's impossible for

1781
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:02,710
them to do that without destroying each

1782
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:05,590
other so had to have been something else

1783
01:15:12,959 --> 01:15:07,449
especially with there being zero sound

1784
01:15:14,509 --> 01:15:12,969
about it and you know I my point was not

1785
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:14,519
just to tell the story but to say

1786
01:15:20,189 --> 01:15:16,630
there's a lot of trained observers out

1787
01:15:21,779 --> 01:15:20,199
there and yet perception is definitely

1788
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:21,789
the skeptical argument is hugely

1789
01:15:27,330 --> 01:15:25,170
valuable and we have to consider

1790
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:27,340
perception within all the people who are

1791
01:15:30,509 --> 01:15:29,050
telling stories you know one person saw

1792
01:15:33,089 --> 01:15:30,519
this and another person saw this yeah

1793
01:15:34,979 --> 01:15:33,099
that's that's all totally true also but

1794
01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:34,989
eventually we have to reach a threshold

1795
01:15:42,330 --> 01:15:37,329
where we have enough trained observers

1796
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:42,340
telling a similar story where we have to

1797
01:15:46,549 --> 01:15:43,630
really consider that there's something

1798
01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:46,559
going on and it's not perceptual

1799
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,329
misidentification it's not displacement

1800
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:51,120
or sublimation

1801
01:15:57,450 --> 01:15:55,510
there there really is something out

1802
01:16:00,210 --> 01:15:57,460
there that even even chain observers

1803
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:00,220
can't explain I'm not say what was I'm

1804
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:02,110
just gonna say that I work in the

1805
01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:04,450
highest level of technology that I'm

1806
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:06,550
aware of I mean in a classified and I

1807
01:16:15,450 --> 01:16:14,110
still have clearances and there's

1808
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:15,460
something out there that we're not aware

1809
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:18,730
of in our program that could be true but

1810
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:22,990
I mean based on the flight dynamics of

1811
01:16:28,170 --> 01:16:25,810
these things I can't imagine what it

1812
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:28,180
could be I'm just saying that there's

1813
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:29,410
got to be a threshold where enough

1814
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:31,210
people like me come out and we have to

1815
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:33,130
admit yeah yeah we need more

1816
01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:34,510
investigation and we should we should

1817
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:37,630
and some instances move away from the

1818
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:40,570
perceptual accountability and go into

1819
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:44,170
you know more investigation but yeah

1820
01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:45,820
well the point is that there's been

1821
01:16:49,740 --> 01:16:47,640
thank you so much there's been a lot of

1822
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:49,750
investigation I think the investigation

1823
01:16:55,740 --> 01:16:52,090
has to be taken over by people who are

1824
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,750
more professionally trained and I'm

1825
01:16:59,040 --> 01:16:57,280
sorry if I gave the impression that

1826
01:17:00,960 --> 01:16:59,050
people don't see what they're seeing I

1827
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:00,970
think there's something very strange

1828
01:17:05,340 --> 01:17:03,160
going on in the skies has been going on

1829
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:05,350
for many years and that many people see

1830
01:17:10,530 --> 01:17:07,570
them the problem is that it's really

1831
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:10,540
hard for us to categorize what's going

1832
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:13,210
on however there are steps being taken

1833
01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:15,130
like you know let's take a video of

1834
01:17:19,710 --> 01:17:17,260
what's going on and see what colors are

1835
01:17:21,450 --> 01:17:19,720
being emitted by these things what does

1836
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:21,460
that tell us about their flight about

1837
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:23,050
their dynamics and how they might be

1838
01:17:26,970 --> 01:17:25,210
doing what they're doing this this stuff

1839
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:26,980
is very important and I think at this

1840
01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:28,510
point in a lot of ways it should be

1841
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:30,420
taken out of the hands of people who are

1842
01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:32,710
hobbyists and into the hands of people

1843
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:34,660
that are more professional have the

1844
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:36,580
equipment have the training and all that

1845
01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:38,530
to start looking at this in a different

1846
01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:42,550
way yeah excellently all right well

1847
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:44,980
thank you for the call thank you you're

1848
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:45,450
welcome

1849
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:49,510
all right uh-huh all right so if anyone

1850
01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:52,560
else wants to call in please give a

1851
01:17:58,380 --> 01:17:55,240
question to the guests we do like

1852
01:18:00,330 --> 01:17:58,390
hearing stories and occasionally there

1853
01:18:01,770 --> 01:18:00,340
will be a time where the guest has to

1854
01:18:04,179 --> 01:18:01,780
leave early or something like that and

1855
01:18:05,799 --> 01:18:04,189
would love to hear yours

1856
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:05,809
no problem at all but for right now

1857
01:18:11,379 --> 01:18:08,510
anyone that wants to call in the number

1858
01:18:14,799 --> 01:18:11,389
please call in for a question for our

1859
01:18:17,919 --> 01:18:14,809
guests speaking of that another question

1860
01:18:19,989 --> 01:18:17,929
that came up here have you had a change

1861
01:18:21,790 --> 01:18:19,999
of opinion on this subject from when you

1862
01:18:25,509 --> 01:18:21,800
first started writing about it to up to

1863
01:18:29,169 --> 01:18:25,519
present day who hasn't right yeah yeah I

1864
01:18:30,609 --> 01:18:29,179
think everybody has at first I think I

1865
01:18:33,459 --> 01:18:30,619
was a lot of people it's like well it's

1866
01:18:35,619 --> 01:18:33,469
it's aliens coming from other planets in

1867
01:18:39,579 --> 01:18:35,629
structured crap now I'm not so sure

1868
01:18:41,829 --> 01:18:39,589
about that it just that that explanation

1869
01:18:43,149 --> 01:18:41,839
does not explain all the stuff we've

1870
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:43,159
been talking about here the weirdness

1871
01:18:51,790 --> 01:18:48,169
the repetition all kinds of you know it

1872
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:51,800
why is it happening so much is it

1873
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:53,449
because we've got a different perception

1874
01:18:56,349 --> 01:18:55,010
of time than they do we just think it's

1875
01:18:59,889 --> 01:18:56,359
happening all the time they've only seen

1876
01:19:02,049 --> 01:18:59,899
us twice I have no idea but I'm

1877
01:19:05,349 --> 01:19:02,059
convinced that whatever is doing this

1878
01:19:07,449 --> 01:19:05,359
it's not us it's something else with it

1879
01:19:09,759 --> 01:19:07,459
that with a with a with a thinking

1880
01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:09,769
consciousness being able to reason and

1881
01:19:15,369 --> 01:19:13,369
and perceive things other than that I'm

1882
01:19:17,619 --> 01:19:15,379
not sure oh we got a caller we have a no

1883
01:19:21,069 --> 01:19:17,629
you saw it this time yes I call your

1884
01:19:28,409 --> 01:19:23,349
Oh Bobby I've met Bobby I don't know

1885
01:19:30,849 --> 01:19:28,419
we're going what five years ago now he's

1886
01:19:35,169 --> 01:19:30,859
been listening to the show before and

1887
01:19:36,459 --> 01:19:35,179
ever since long time listener so Bobby

1888
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:36,469
how you doing you have a question for

1889
01:19:40,599 --> 01:19:38,089
Gregg I know you like Gregg's you've

1890
01:19:42,939 --> 01:19:40,609
mentioned that before yeah I'm doing

1891
01:19:44,770 --> 01:19:42,949
great then Gregg is great and it snowed

1892
01:19:45,759 --> 01:19:44,780
today first day of spring and we got to

1893
01:19:47,739 --> 01:19:45,769
know so I don't want to hear you

1894
01:19:52,449 --> 01:19:47,749
bitching about your 14 feet of snow that

1895
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,459
you get it's been raining all day here

1896
01:19:56,319 --> 01:19:54,800
but that's California yeah yeah well

1897
01:20:00,609 --> 01:19:56,329
it's funny it's melted before I left for

1898
01:20:02,889 --> 01:20:00,619
work I had a question for for Gregg sure

1899
01:20:03,369 --> 01:20:02,899
well first of all I heard that the two

1900
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:03,379
stars

1901
01:20:08,529 --> 01:20:06,530
blink-182 Academy got two more videos

1902
01:20:11,589 --> 01:20:08,539
recently but they haven't released them

1903
01:20:13,290 --> 01:20:11,599
yet and I think I've read somewhere that

1904
01:20:16,329 --> 01:20:13,300
he was kind of dubious about the whole

1905
01:20:17,470 --> 01:20:16,339
release of the videos on one of his

1906
01:20:20,740 --> 01:20:17,480
thoughts on

1907
01:20:23,470 --> 01:20:20,750
that and the other thing was like the

1908
01:20:25,330 --> 01:20:23,480
just not too long ago last fall some

1909
01:20:27,460 --> 01:20:25,340
pictures were released allegedly by some

1910
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:27,470
guys without an Aryan 51 got pictures of

1911
01:20:32,110 --> 01:20:30,290
a UFO that looked really clear with the

1912
01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:32,120
helicopter in the background those

1913
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:34,550
actually analyzed by Bruce Maccabee and

1914
01:20:37,780 --> 01:20:36,530
there's like different people are saying

1915
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:37,790
different things about it some people

1916
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:39,290
think that it's legit and other people

1917
01:20:43,210 --> 01:20:40,610
are like well it's too good to be true

1918
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:43,220
and it's it's just it's a paradox you

1919
01:20:46,330 --> 01:20:44,480
know if you get a really good clear

1920
01:20:48,460 --> 01:20:46,340
picture of something well it's fake and

1921
01:20:51,130 --> 01:20:48,470
if you get a blurry picture then it's

1922
01:20:54,700 --> 01:20:51,140
just a light in the sky so that's what I

1923
01:20:57,729 --> 01:20:54,710
had to say about that yeah we we sort of

1924
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:57,739
discussed earlier about to the stars but

1925
01:21:00,729 --> 01:20:59,120
I don't know if there's anything else

1926
01:21:05,050 --> 01:21:00,739
you want to add to that what you talked

1927
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:05,060
about before Greg yeah I think the

1928
01:21:10,090 --> 01:21:08,090
regards to video and and pictures I

1929
01:21:11,890 --> 01:21:10,100
think we've got enough video and

1930
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:11,900
pictures at this point that we know that

1931
01:21:15,850 --> 01:21:13,489
there's that people occasionally take

1932
01:21:17,890 --> 01:21:15,860
pictures and video of things and film of

1933
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:17,900
things that are unexplained and are

1934
01:21:21,850 --> 01:21:19,850
truly unexplained that I don't think is

1935
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:21,860
any question about that I think what the

1936
01:21:26,650 --> 01:21:24,290
what to the Stars is trying to do is

1937
01:21:31,330 --> 01:21:26,660
saying look this came from the military

1938
01:21:33,220 --> 01:21:31,340
it's unexplained and we we have to wait

1939
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:33,230
you know we're trying to force the

1940
01:21:36,910 --> 01:21:34,790
authorities to acknowledge that there's

1941
01:21:38,830 --> 01:21:36,920
unexplained things in the sky which they

1942
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:38,840
never really have before I mean I think

1943
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:40,550
that's part of their goal and I think I

1944
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:43,370
think it's a great goal that that I

1945
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,710
think the videos are are singularly

1946
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:47,360
unimpressive to me it's just like well

1947
01:21:53,620 --> 01:21:50,570
there's dots in the sky doing stuff and

1948
01:21:55,420 --> 01:21:53,630
they're traveling at strange speeds but

1949
01:21:57,460 --> 01:21:55,430
the thing is if you're into UFOs or

1950
01:21:59,860 --> 01:21:57,470
actually most of the public they already

1951
01:22:02,380 --> 01:21:59,870
know that stuff happens I think that's

1952
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:02,390
what this is aimed at is the media and

1953
01:22:05,860 --> 01:22:04,250
academia and science and all that and

1954
01:22:06,850 --> 01:22:05,870
how they should probably take this a

1955
01:22:09,820 --> 01:22:06,860
little more seriously

1956
01:22:12,850 --> 01:22:09,830
so with that part of their propaganda

1957
01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:12,860
machine I totally agree with them what I

1958
01:22:17,979 --> 01:22:16,640
don't know is besides that why they're

1959
01:22:19,690 --> 01:22:17,989
doing it I think they're trying to get

1960
01:22:21,940 --> 01:22:19,700
something out with the technology figure

1961
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:21,950
out what this technology is and exploit

1962
01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:25,489
it in some way that is great as long as

1963
01:22:30,010 --> 01:22:28,550
it's open and everybody is everybody has

1964
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:30,020
access to the information but I don't

1965
01:22:33,339 --> 01:22:31,010
think that's

1966
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:33,349
that's their idea it's part of I think

1967
01:22:36,759 --> 01:22:34,730
they're trying to throw a wide net and

1968
01:22:37,959 --> 01:22:36,769
find out if how much people know about

1969
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,969
this

1970
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:40,400
re you know the the alloys or whatever

1971
01:22:45,069 --> 01:22:42,170
you want to call them and how these can

1972
01:22:50,529 --> 01:22:45,079
be used to further our understanding of

1973
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,539
physics and and and flight and that they

1974
01:22:54,250 --> 01:22:52,639
don't really care if it's aliens or

1975
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:54,260
coming from another planet or anything

1976
01:22:57,459 --> 01:22:56,570
like that all they care about is how do

1977
01:23:00,970 --> 01:22:57,469
these things work

1978
01:23:04,419 --> 01:23:00,980
and how can we how can we use what we

1979
01:23:08,379 --> 01:23:04,429
see to reproduce some of these some of

1980
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:08,389
these characteristics do you know

1981
01:23:12,459 --> 01:23:10,489
anything else more about the meta

1982
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:12,469
materials that allegedly are held in

1983
01:23:20,830 --> 01:23:16,400
some warehouse by Bigelow no I'm not I

1984
01:23:22,750 --> 01:23:20,840
did I'm not privy to it I did some help

1985
01:23:25,149 --> 01:23:22,760
put off was on coast to coast a few

1986
01:23:26,620 --> 01:23:25,159
weeks ago with George Knapp I happen to

1987
01:23:29,410 --> 01:23:26,630
be listening because I was working that

1988
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:29,420
night so I was listening and he actually

1989
01:23:33,279 --> 01:23:31,250
said something he said well it's not

1990
01:23:36,069 --> 01:23:33,289
really alloys it's a bunch of different

1991
01:23:39,879 --> 01:23:36,079
materials layered in such a way that it

1992
01:23:42,339 --> 01:23:39,889
is impossible with our technology right

1993
01:23:44,259 --> 01:23:42,349
now to do that's what he says this

1994
01:23:45,970 --> 01:23:44,269
material is well other people say it's

1995
01:23:47,140 --> 01:23:45,980
alloys composed of things that you know

1996
01:23:48,939 --> 01:23:47,150
or not

1997
01:23:51,370 --> 01:23:48,949
the isotopes aren't the same we're not

1998
01:23:55,089 --> 01:23:51,380
in the same ratios that they are in any

1999
01:23:58,839 --> 01:23:55,099
manufacturing process we have here on

2000
01:24:01,180 --> 01:23:58,849
earth his idea was that it was some sort

2001
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:01,190
of layered material like layer and upon

2002
01:24:05,529 --> 01:24:03,110
layer upon layer put together in a way

2003
01:24:07,839 --> 01:24:05,539
that wasn't you know it bonded like

2004
01:24:10,209 --> 01:24:07,849
atomically or something and that was

2005
01:24:11,620 --> 01:24:10,219
that's what was interesting to them and

2006
01:24:12,939 --> 01:24:11,630
I don't the other thing is I don't know

2007
01:24:16,899 --> 01:24:12,949
if they're ever gonna let that stuff out

2008
01:24:18,759 --> 01:24:16,909
you know for open that's one thing that

2009
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:18,769
worries me why isn't that stuff openly

2010
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:22,130
let out so that a you know somebody that

2011
01:24:26,410 --> 01:24:25,010
a public institution or research

2012
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:26,420
facility can take a look at that they're

2013
01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:28,010
not letting that stuff out and that kind

2014
01:24:32,890 --> 01:24:30,409
of bothers me well in that part alone I

2015
01:24:35,379 --> 01:24:32,900
think Bigelow is involved and he's

2016
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:35,389
always been pretty cautious about

2017
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:38,210
revealing things for instance skinwalker

2018
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:39,440
ranch you know anything he's been

2019
01:24:44,259 --> 01:24:41,329
involved with he kind of wants to keep

2020
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:44,269
you know a close a close hold on I don't

2021
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:45,199
know

2022
01:24:49,390 --> 01:24:47,209
I do think that if there's something to

2023
01:24:52,930 --> 01:24:49,400
release and it's important you know I

2024
01:24:54,969 --> 01:24:52,940
mean if the company paid for it yeah he

2025
01:24:56,859 --> 01:24:54,979
paid for it it's is right I just we

2026
01:24:58,719 --> 01:24:56,869
don't have to agree with him yeah I

2027
01:25:01,870 --> 01:24:58,729
think this stuff should be made public

2028
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:01,880
but all you can do is say well that's

2029
01:25:04,930 --> 01:25:04,159
not fair well it kind of is because he

2030
01:25:07,509 --> 01:25:04,940
paid for it

2031
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:07,519
well actually this I'm not sure if he

2032
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:09,050
actually did or if this was actually

2033
01:25:13,449 --> 01:25:12,110
part of the 22 Leo what was spent yeah

2034
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:13,459
you know from the well he's he's

2035
01:25:17,589 --> 01:25:15,650
probably spent an equal amount or more

2036
01:25:20,919 --> 01:25:17,599
than that 22 million that was given to

2037
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:20,929
him who knows yeah yeah but that that's

2038
01:25:23,799 --> 01:25:22,010
another thing if some of this was

2039
01:25:25,359 --> 01:25:23,809
there's another argument I've heard from

2040
01:25:29,109 --> 01:25:25,369
people this is public money it should be

2041
01:25:31,060 --> 01:25:29,119
public knowledge and I don't want to

2042
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:31,070
keep going but I wanted to touch up on

2043
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:32,690
some of those just thinking about a few

2044
01:25:36,509 --> 01:25:34,010
years ago I actually saw a video on

2045
01:25:39,069 --> 01:25:36,519
YouTube and it was a skunkworks

2046
01:25:41,379 --> 01:25:39,079
spokesman of some time and he was

2047
01:25:43,959 --> 01:25:41,389
literally saying on YouTube that they

2048
01:25:47,020 --> 01:25:43,969
were this close to having fusion power

2049
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:47,030
which means you could have a compact

2050
01:25:52,180 --> 01:25:49,249
power source with crazy amounts of

2051
01:25:54,819 --> 01:25:52,190
energy which you would use for something

2052
01:25:57,129 --> 01:25:54,829
like lasers in the sky to shoot down

2053
01:25:58,569 --> 01:25:57,139
missiles and other stuff but I found it

2054
01:25:59,949 --> 01:25:58,579
really interesting and the guy looks

2055
01:26:01,779 --> 01:25:59,959
really nervous in the video I don't know

2056
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:01,789
if it's still on YouTube but he was a

2057
01:26:05,109 --> 01:26:03,050
skunkworks guy and he was actually

2058
01:26:07,719 --> 01:26:05,119
literally saying that they would have

2059
01:26:11,649 --> 01:26:07,729
refrigerator-sized fusion machines soon

2060
01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:11,659
and it was just odd yeah well also

2061
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,579
either either he's revealing something

2062
01:26:17,259 --> 01:26:15,440
which he said reveal or he's revealing

2063
01:26:19,810 --> 01:26:17,269
it because somebody said let's just put

2064
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:19,820
this out there and see what happens for

2065
01:26:24,759 --> 01:26:22,249
some reason or another to see what the

2066
01:26:27,459 --> 01:26:24,769
reaction is or you know see who starts

2067
01:26:29,140 --> 01:26:27,469
talking about it or whatever yeah they

2068
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:29,150
think they're fairly close to fusion

2069
01:26:31,419 --> 01:26:30,409
they say 10 years or what they've been

2070
01:26:35,589 --> 01:26:31,429
saying this for a while but 10 years

2071
01:26:37,930 --> 01:26:35,599
away from a working system but it it's

2072
01:26:39,939 --> 01:26:37,940
not portable I mean their idea is that

2073
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:39,949
it's it's got to be housed in this giant

2074
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,190
thing that electromagnetic field that

2075
01:26:46,779 --> 01:26:45,440
holds the plasma and suspended in the

2076
01:26:49,449 --> 01:26:46,789
air so it doesn't touch anything because

2077
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:49,459
it's you know 8 gazillion degrees I

2078
01:26:52,810 --> 01:26:51,050
don't know if they've been able to

2079
01:26:54,580 --> 01:26:52,820
miniaturize that yet to the point where

2080
01:26:55,860 --> 01:26:54,590
they can carry it inside you know use it

2081
01:26:57,930 --> 01:26:55,870
as a power source

2082
01:27:00,630 --> 01:26:57,940
like it would be small he made it sound

2083
01:27:02,730 --> 01:27:00,640
like you could have him every 10 blocks

2084
01:27:04,140 --> 01:27:02,740
in a neighborhood yeah well we have to

2085
01:27:06,060 --> 01:27:04,150
take it under we'd have to take it under

2086
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:06,070
advisement because the guy there's no

2087
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:09,070
there's no supporting evidence for that

2088
01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:10,450
so it's just kind of like well that's an

2089
01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:11,860
interesting piece of information let's

2090
01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:13,480
stick it in our pocket and see what

2091
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:16,630
comes up later okay guys thank you great

2092
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:19,360
show all right I know thanks Bobby I

2093
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:21,250
know you didn't really answer the

2094
01:27:24,300 --> 01:27:23,170
question he had also on that did you

2095
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:24,310
happen to see the sighting he was

2096
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:26,290
talking about with the helicopter very

2097
01:27:33,570 --> 01:27:28,170
clear image I'm not familiar with that

2098
01:27:36,570 --> 01:27:33,580
no I haven't seen it I go ahead somebody

2099
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:36,580
came out that was somewhere and ended up

2100
01:27:42,180 --> 01:27:39,250
near area 51 and I think he was working

2101
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:42,190
there and actually took pictures but I

2102
01:27:46,410 --> 01:27:44,530
believe it's on open minds but yeah

2103
01:27:47,490 --> 01:27:46,420
picture of a UFO it's silver and black

2104
01:27:49,290 --> 01:27:47,500
and with the helicopter in the

2105
01:27:58,530 --> 01:27:49,300
background you can't trust anything on

2106
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,540
that site I know yeah for people

2107
01:28:03,090 --> 01:28:00,400
listening to this show and people that

2108
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,100
are into this I think they already

2109
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:04,960
assumed that this stuff goes on if they

2110
01:28:10,260 --> 01:28:08,050
don't need more pictures it's already

2111
01:28:11,670 --> 01:28:10,270
been proven to be you everybody

2112
01:28:12,990 --> 01:28:11,680
listening this show practically that

2113
01:28:15,570 --> 01:28:13,000
there is something strange flying

2114
01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:15,580
through the sky and no matter how many

2115
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:17,260
times you show it to your skeptical

2116
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:18,310
friends it's not gonna make any

2117
01:28:22,650 --> 01:28:20,010
difference to them which is why usually

2118
01:28:24,030 --> 01:28:22,660
photos don't interest me photos and

2119
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,040
video don't interest me what interested

2120
01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:26,080
me more right now is where is this stuff

2121
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:28,420
coming from why are people reporting it

2122
01:28:33,810 --> 01:28:31,390
what causes a UFO report what what

2123
01:28:36,990 --> 01:28:33,820
stimulus causes a UFO report anything

2124
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:37,000
from a SaLuSa nation to aliens coming

2125
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:37,930
from other planets

2126
01:28:41,250 --> 01:28:39,850
it's a lot and and other things we

2127
01:28:43,260 --> 01:28:41,260
haven't even thought of it's all along

2128
01:28:44,730 --> 01:28:43,270
that spectrum I think and nothing should

2129
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:44,740
be thrown out people seem to think that

2130
01:28:50,670 --> 01:28:47,920
I'm I'm against the et hypothesis I'm

2131
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:50,680
not it's just it's not as interesting to

2132
01:28:55,980 --> 01:28:53,110
me as some of the other ideas yeah I've

2133
01:28:57,780 --> 01:28:55,990
got a bunch of good stories on Martin's

2134
01:28:59,190 --> 01:28:57,790
blog and his website they're actually

2135
01:29:01,140 --> 01:28:59,200
he's got a new blog there where they

2136
01:29:03,150 --> 01:29:01,150
actually you can just report a UFO so

2137
01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:03,160
I've got several of mine in there if

2138
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,420
you're interested there's some some

2139
01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:06,400
interesting stuff and thanks again good

2140
01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:06,760
night

2141
01:29:14,940 --> 01:29:13,780
yeah well let's see I just wanted to get

2142
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:14,950
make sure I got to all these questions

2143
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:17,170
from this one gentleman do you think our

2144
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:19,930
brains are locked so to speak so that we

2145
01:29:24,690 --> 01:29:22,090
don't have perception of paranormal

2146
01:29:27,870 --> 01:29:24,700
entities but some unique individuals

2147
01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:27,880
have this gift and are able to yeah

2148
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:30,790
definitely I think some I I look at it

2149
01:29:34,650 --> 01:29:33,040
in a way I was talking it here's Dean

2150
01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:34,660
Radin again I was talking him about what

2151
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:37,060
he says everybody psychic just some of

2152
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:38,560
them some of us aren't very good at it

2153
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,530
so I think everybody has this perception

2154
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:42,880
to be able to see these weird things

2155
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:44,890
just some of them are better than others

2156
01:29:48,570 --> 01:29:46,630
some people have a better natural talent

2157
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:48,580
through whatever through genetics or

2158
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:50,980
where they grew up or whatever the hell

2159
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:53,920
or maybe some a finger came down from

2160
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:55,210
the heavens and touched them and said

2161
01:30:00,960 --> 01:29:56,410
you're the person that can see these

2162
01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:00,970
things I am Not sure but you know what

2163
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:02,230
did he what did you say

2164
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:03,970
so there are there are only a few

2165
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:05,890
psychic Michael Jordan's and I think

2166
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:07,810
there's there's a tendency yeah because

2167
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:10,210
there's tendencies in the in the in the

2168
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:12,370
population for some people to see things

2169
01:30:19,770 --> 01:30:15,970
that others cannot and the people that

2170
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:19,780
do see things and experience things have

2171
01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:21,370
a really hard time explaining it to

2172
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:22,900
people that don't see them and don't

2173
01:30:26,940 --> 01:30:25,450
experience them and you know it's like

2174
01:30:28,650 --> 01:30:26,950
if the people will say well I didn't see

2175
01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:28,660
that so it doesn't exist well that's not

2176
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:30,310
fair because you're not that person that

2177
01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:32,410
experienced that thing you have to you

2178
01:30:35,820 --> 01:30:34,060
know sure there's a lot of people that

2179
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:35,830
make things up or embellish or whatever

2180
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:38,290
but you can't deny that people see and

2181
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:41,530
experience strange things and sometimes

2182
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:43,120
people are okay with it and sometimes

2183
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:44,890
they're not and if they're not okay with

2184
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:47,290
it it's kind of the researchers job to

2185
01:30:51,090 --> 01:30:49,450
let them unload about what they've seen

2186
01:30:53,490 --> 01:30:51,100
and what they feel about it just so they

2187
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:53,500
can sort of integrate it into their into

2188
01:30:59,010 --> 01:30:55,650
their worldview if you know what I mean

2189
01:31:01,140 --> 01:30:59,020
Greg you're talking about video a minute

2190
01:31:03,690 --> 01:31:01,150
ago you don't really care to look at

2191
01:31:06,180 --> 01:31:03,700
video or pictures I think it may have

2192
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:06,190
been on your show did I hear you talk

2193
01:31:13,290 --> 01:31:10,330
about some type of new editing software

2194
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:13,300
that allows you to like bring it like

2195
01:31:19,140 --> 01:31:16,090
anybody can do it and it you don't have

2196
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:19,150
to be like an Adobe Photoshop or

2197
01:31:22,810 --> 01:31:20,320
anything like that you can just pull a

2198
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:22,820
picture in a polo video into another

2199
01:31:26,740 --> 01:31:25,010
something like that yeah yeah it's I

2200
01:31:28,899 --> 01:31:26,750
don't know if it was me but yeah I know

2201
01:31:31,180 --> 01:31:28,909
about that it's it's a software you can

2202
01:31:33,130 --> 01:31:31,190
get for free online it's um I think it's

2203
01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:33,140
either called deep fake or it's the it's

2204
01:31:37,780 --> 01:31:35,000
the way the videos made are called deep

2205
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:37,790
fakes so people you can put anybody's

2206
01:31:42,180 --> 01:31:40,159
face on anybody and make them say or do

2207
01:31:44,890 --> 01:31:42,190
whatever that's something they never did

2208
01:31:48,610 --> 01:31:44,900
to varying degrees of success I think if

2209
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:48,620
you have enough video of the person's

2210
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:50,449
face and you can and different angles

2211
01:31:57,340 --> 01:31:53,210
you can put it on anything you want and

2212
01:31:59,620 --> 01:31:57,350
the same thing with you know making UFO

2213
01:32:01,570 --> 01:31:59,630
videos I think people are able to do

2214
01:32:03,070 --> 01:32:01,580
that yes it's it's it's getting harder

2215
01:32:07,090 --> 01:32:03,080
and harder to find out if somebody has

2216
01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:07,100
faked stuff but like I said it's I don't

2217
01:32:14,290 --> 01:32:10,060
know why we need more video and film

2218
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:14,300
proof of things flying in the skies that

2219
01:32:19,540 --> 01:32:17,449
are unidentified we know that happens I

2220
01:32:22,570 --> 01:32:19,550
think what it is is one part of it is

2221
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,580
it's what I call UFO porno people just

2222
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:24,560
like saying you know we're just weird

2223
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:27,650
videos of stuff and - I think some of

2224
01:32:31,209 --> 01:32:29,600
them think if I can just show this to

2225
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:31,219
somebody who's skeptical they're gonna

2226
01:32:34,930 --> 01:32:33,530
believe it doesn't work it's it's not

2227
01:32:38,169 --> 01:32:34,940
going to work if somebody's dead set

2228
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:38,179
against considering these things no

2229
01:32:41,649 --> 01:32:40,489
matter how much video or pictures you

2230
01:32:43,180 --> 01:32:41,659
show them it's not going to it's got

2231
01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:43,190
it's not going to convince them it's you

2232
01:32:47,140 --> 01:32:45,710
just run up against a basically an anti

2233
01:32:51,250 --> 01:32:47,150
belief system or a different kind of

2234
01:32:53,470 --> 01:32:51,260
belief system so I I've retreated sort

2235
01:32:55,899 --> 01:32:53,480
of - how can I answer some of these

2236
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:55,909
questions or increase my understanding

2237
01:33:00,370 --> 01:32:57,679
for myself my friends people that I know

2238
01:33:03,610 --> 01:33:00,380
and people listen to my show I'm not out

2239
01:33:06,220 --> 01:33:03,620
to prove anything if you were like to

2240
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:06,230
say if you had in mind to talk to

2241
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:10,880
someone and you did you did want to give

2242
01:33:15,310 --> 01:33:12,800
a good convincing argument how would you

2243
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,320
do that I'm I know you said you wouldn't

2244
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:17,600
do it but how would you do that today

2245
01:33:22,959 --> 01:33:21,170
would you say you know a witness or

2246
01:33:24,850 --> 01:33:22,969
would you talk about a witness if you

2247
01:33:28,660 --> 01:33:24,860
didn't want to convince someone by a

2248
01:33:30,340 --> 01:33:28,670
video say I mean if I wanted to convince

2249
01:33:32,530 --> 01:33:30,350
somebody I would say I cannot convince

2250
01:33:35,290 --> 01:33:32,540
you of anything that you did not want to

2251
01:33:36,279 --> 01:33:35,300
be convinced of if you truly want to

2252
01:33:37,989 --> 01:33:36,289
know and you're

2253
01:33:40,839 --> 01:33:37,999
truly open-minded about it I'm sorry

2254
01:33:43,239 --> 01:33:40,849
it's gonna take work reading things

2255
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:43,249
talking to people getting the

2256
01:33:47,739 --> 01:33:46,249
information yourself because my I can

2257
01:33:49,809 --> 01:33:47,749
tell somebody read this book in your

2258
01:33:52,079 --> 01:33:49,819
life will be changed it might have

2259
01:33:54,219 --> 01:33:52,089
changed my life it won't change theirs

2260
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:54,229
choose your own path to your own

2261
01:34:00,639 --> 01:33:56,239
understanding you know if you got a

2262
01:34:04,029 --> 01:34:00,649
truly what's the word if you truly want

2263
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:04,039
to find out what's going on walk into it

2264
01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:07,489
with an open mind and it's fine things

2265
01:34:11,709 --> 01:34:10,280
that speak to you I think that's the

2266
01:34:13,419 --> 01:34:11,719
only advice I can give to somebody I

2267
01:34:15,909 --> 01:34:13,429
can't sit here in a debate with somebody

2268
01:34:19,059 --> 01:34:15,919
and convince them that the of my point

2269
01:34:20,739 --> 01:34:19,069
of view it's not gonna work but if they

2270
01:34:22,949 --> 01:34:20,749
can find out things for themselves with

2271
01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:22,959
their own means which is really easy now

2272
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:25,129
you can do that in fact it almost it's

2273
01:34:28,959 --> 01:34:26,169
almost too easy

2274
01:34:30,909 --> 01:34:28,969
then that's the path you should take and

2275
01:34:32,409 --> 01:34:30,919
don't believe everything and actually

2276
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:32,419
don't believe anything keep an open mind

2277
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:34,729
the entire through the entire journey

2278
01:34:39,279 --> 01:34:37,280
don't don't throw things out willy-nilly

2279
01:34:40,299 --> 01:34:39,289
and don't accept things completely and

2280
01:34:42,209 --> 01:34:40,309
if somebody tells you they have the

2281
01:34:44,589 --> 01:34:42,219
answer run the other way really fast

2282
01:34:46,329 --> 01:34:44,599
exactly yeah I've said that in every

2283
01:34:47,709 --> 01:34:46,339
I've said that a number of times have

2284
01:34:49,959 --> 01:34:47,719
you ever done any like boots on the

2285
01:34:52,509 --> 01:34:49,969
ground type of investigation yourself or

2286
01:34:58,929 --> 01:34:52,519
you just kind of just write about it and

2287
01:35:00,459 --> 01:34:58,939
do like outside work like I do I used to

2288
01:35:02,349 --> 01:35:00,469
talk to people but I've never been

2289
01:35:04,179 --> 01:35:02,359
somebody that goes out and says look I'm

2290
01:35:06,579 --> 01:35:04,189
gonna go on an interview UFO witnesses

2291
01:35:08,559 --> 01:35:06,589
it's just not it's not something I'm

2292
01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:08,569
interested in the funny thing is if you

2293
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:11,119
do what you do or I do or anybody

2294
01:35:14,679 --> 01:35:13,010
involved with this subject that has sort

2295
01:35:16,539 --> 01:35:14,689
of a has done more than just consume

2296
01:35:18,909 --> 01:35:16,549
people will come up to you and start

2297
01:35:21,250 --> 01:35:18,919
telling you things yeah

2298
01:35:23,739 --> 01:35:21,260
and that's fascinating to me and also

2299
01:35:25,029 --> 01:35:23,749
and I've said this before too I've been

2300
01:35:26,739 --> 01:35:25,039
sitting there signing books or whatever

2301
01:35:28,689 --> 01:35:26,749
at conferences and somebody will come up

2302
01:35:29,859 --> 01:35:28,699
and say this thing happened to me and

2303
01:35:31,899 --> 01:35:29,869
they'll tell me the story

2304
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:31,909
and I listen I know I'm if they want me

2305
01:35:36,279 --> 01:35:33,530
to say something I say fine how did that

2306
01:35:37,539 --> 01:35:36,289
make you feel what happened later is

2307
01:35:40,569 --> 01:35:37,549
there anything else that you want to

2308
01:35:41,739 --> 01:35:40,579
talk about or the majority of the time

2309
01:35:43,859 --> 01:35:41,749
people just want to tell me the story

2310
01:35:46,119 --> 01:35:43,869
and they say thank you and they leave

2311
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:46,129
because they just want to tell somebody

2312
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:47,689
that isn't gonna tell them they were

2313
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:50,130
crazy or ask some stupid questions or

2314
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,690
say oh my god that's exactly what

2315
01:35:55,130 --> 01:35:53,520
happened to me too and you know don't

2316
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:55,140
you know it's the Pleiadians or whatever

2317
01:36:01,700 --> 01:35:57,570
they just want somebody to acknowledge

2318
01:36:04,460 --> 01:36:01,710
something strange happen to them and I

2319
01:36:06,260 --> 01:36:04,470
think that the best investigators are

2320
01:36:08,180 --> 01:36:06,270
like that they they say look I'm

2321
01:36:11,180 --> 01:36:08,190
fulfilling a service just by letting

2322
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,190
people say get this off their chest

2323
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:13,520
I had rosemaler mary ellen guiley on

2324
01:36:17,930 --> 01:36:16,410
preston Dennett recently i'm still

2325
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:17,940
editing those shows but they both told

2326
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,400
me the same thing it's like we part of

2327
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:22,560
our job is to let people get this stuff

2328
01:36:27,020 --> 01:36:24,570
off their chest because sometimes it's

2329
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,030
just bothering them I mean that part of

2330
01:36:32,180 --> 01:36:28,800
their part of integrating it into their

2331
01:36:34,430 --> 01:36:32,190
into their personality for integrating

2332
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:34,440
it into their life experience is to be

2333
01:36:39,740 --> 01:36:35,940
able to tell somebody that's not going

2334
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:39,750
to what interpret it for them or tell

2335
01:36:44,930 --> 01:36:41,730
them they didn't see what they saw or be

2336
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:44,940
overly a Iger or whatever they just want

2337
01:36:50,450 --> 01:36:48,930
to get it out and I think that as far as

2338
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:50,460
I can do that I think I think that's

2339
01:36:56,510 --> 01:36:52,650
useful and there's plenty of people

2340
01:36:59,120 --> 01:36:56,520
doing boots on the ground type of

2341
01:37:00,620 --> 01:36:59,130
investigation I don't like I don't think

2342
01:37:04,430 --> 01:37:00,630
that's the only type of investigation

2343
01:37:06,500 --> 01:37:04,440
that can be done as you know if you're

2344
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:06,510
in the social sciences do you have to

2345
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:07,770
talk to somebody to be in social

2346
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:09,210
sciences so you can look at can you look

2347
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:11,010
at the data I think you can do things

2348
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:13,130
like look at the data and make

2349
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:16,290
reasonable theories and guesses from it

2350
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,330
that can be applied in the real world

2351
01:37:23,210 --> 01:37:21,360
possibly so you know that that's you

2352
01:37:24,860 --> 01:37:23,220
know that I think that's my role and

2353
01:37:26,930 --> 01:37:24,870
it's also a cheerleader when I see

2354
01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:26,940
somebody I think is doing good work I'll

2355
01:37:30,650 --> 01:37:28,710
have them on my show and I'll suggest

2356
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:30,660
that they go on people shows I'll

2357
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:32,370
suggest that alejandra have them at the

2358
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:35,340
at the UFO Congress yeah if he listens

2359
01:37:38,660 --> 01:37:37,380
yeah and he'll listen to me and other

2360
01:37:40,610 --> 01:37:38,670
researchers that I think that's

2361
01:37:43,310 --> 01:37:40,620
important to him to get people in there

2362
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:43,320
that are saying something different

2363
01:37:48,650 --> 01:37:46,410
that's one thing about Alejandro and UFO

2364
01:37:51,770 --> 01:37:48,660
Congress they will have Richard Dolan

2365
01:37:53,090 --> 01:37:51,780
and and Linda Howe and Nick Pope and all

2366
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,100
those people but then they'll have

2367
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,960
people that like my friend Robby Graham

2368
01:37:58,190 --> 01:37:56,400
who's not saying something everybody

2369
01:38:00,230 --> 01:37:58,200
wants to hear but I think that's really

2370
01:38:01,490 --> 01:38:00,240
bright brave of him to have these people

2371
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:01,500
in here that are saying something

2372
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:02,400
different

2373
01:38:05,630 --> 01:38:04,409
it is not the party line I think that's

2374
01:38:09,580 --> 01:38:05,640
wonderful and I think there should be

2375
01:38:13,550 --> 01:38:09,590
more of that yeah yeah I agree I agree

2376
01:38:17,149 --> 01:38:13,560
now chase I just had a question for you

2377
01:38:20,209 --> 01:38:17,159
my mind and now I just forgot hits has

2378
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:20,219
that ever happened to you constantly

2379
01:38:33,860 --> 01:38:29,370
every day yeah yeah yeah but now as far

2380
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:33,870
as have you ever had have you ever like

2381
01:38:38,300 --> 01:38:35,730
debated a skeptic or had a skeptic on

2382
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:38,310
your show I've had a couple on my show

2383
01:38:44,990 --> 01:38:41,010
that made for interesting radio I think

2384
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:45,000
I know I haven't and a couple skeptical

2385
01:38:49,130 --> 01:38:46,770
people got mad at me for not doing that

2386
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:49,140
I actually have one um John Shirley the

2387
01:38:53,050 --> 01:38:50,850
cyberpunk right I've had him on my show

2388
01:38:55,580 --> 01:38:53,060
we had a bit of a debate about things

2389
01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:55,590
but the thing is he he's not doctrinaire

2390
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and he's not he will actually debate

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01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,320
with you engage well a lot of skeptics

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01:39:05,390 --> 01:39:04,080
will or I call them fundamentalist

2393
01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:05,400
skeptics meaning they're just they just

2394
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:06,840
have their mind made up and they're not

2395
01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:12,449
it's not an exchange of ideas that he

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01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,460
engaged with me I can remember we talked

2397
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:17,520
about this a couple years ago but to

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01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:20,159
have somebody on that truly is listening

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01:39:24,700 --> 01:39:22,530
to you and there's an exchange of

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01:39:27,470 --> 01:39:24,710
information and there's a mutual respect

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01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,480
really really rare which is why I don't

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01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:28,800
have I don't usually have them on the

2403
01:39:37,310 --> 01:39:33,360
show the other thing is some of these

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01:39:39,229 --> 01:39:37,320
people I deal with especially online

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01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:39,239
I don't usually engage with them because

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01:39:45,939 --> 01:39:43,050
if I do it they're not really listening

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01:39:48,110 --> 01:39:45,949
and I don't know if I'm I really was

2408
01:39:53,090 --> 01:39:48,120
there's only a few people that I think

2409
01:39:55,070 --> 01:39:53,100
are open-minded skeptical people where

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01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:55,080
they they they will they say I you know

2411
01:39:59,450 --> 01:39:57,090
I need a lot more information before I

2412
01:40:01,370 --> 01:39:59,460
commit to this but I think I kind of I

2413
01:40:02,450 --> 01:40:01,380
agree with them I don't commit to any of

2414
01:40:05,300 --> 01:40:02,460
this except for there's something

2415
01:40:07,550 --> 01:40:05,310
strange going on and that people see

2416
01:40:10,910 --> 01:40:07,560
strange stuff and I go one step further

2417
01:40:15,169 --> 01:40:10,920
by saying I think it's due to a that is

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01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:15,179
not ours and that automatically shuts

2419
01:40:18,820 --> 01:40:15,650
down

2420
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:18,830
probably 90% of people who are skeptical

2421
01:40:24,370 --> 01:40:21,650
and in the classic way that people think

2422
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,380
of not in the proper way that I think is

2423
01:40:29,290 --> 01:40:26,000
skeptical which is to keep an open mind

2424
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:29,300
and not make a conclusion but I've made

2425
01:40:33,850 --> 01:40:31,070
a conclusion that there's nothing going

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01:40:35,290 --> 01:40:33,860
on and you have to convince me that

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01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:35,300
there's something is that something is

2428
01:40:40,959 --> 01:40:37,370
going on I can't do that

2429
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:40,969
that's not my job and also I would like

2430
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:43,250
to learn I don't have people on the show

2431
01:40:46,300 --> 01:40:45,050
I want to that I argue with I want to

2432
01:40:47,950 --> 01:40:46,310
have somebody on the show that is

2433
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:47,960
telling me something that I do not know

2434
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:50,239
but fascinates me that pushes my

2435
01:40:54,399 --> 01:40:52,880
understanding further and that's not a

2436
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:54,409
closed-minded thing that's another thing

2437
01:40:58,479 --> 01:40:56,690
people say is well then you're just you

2438
01:41:00,130 --> 01:40:58,489
know listen you're just preaching to the

2439
01:41:03,130 --> 01:41:00,140
choir or listen you people that is an

2440
01:41:04,899 --> 01:41:03,140
echo chamber no that's not it you get to

2441
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,909
a certain point where you say look my

2442
01:41:10,270 --> 01:41:07,520
brain and my personality and my my

2443
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:10,280
knowledge I trust that I'm not going to

2444
01:41:15,220 --> 01:41:12,800
go nuts or believe something that's

2445
01:41:16,630 --> 01:41:15,230
silly or that will lead me in the wrong

2446
01:41:19,090 --> 01:41:16,640
direction

2447
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:19,100
and I'm willing to listen I don't take

2448
01:41:21,939 --> 01:41:20,239
you never you know I don't accept

2449
01:41:24,580 --> 01:41:21,949
everything but I listen to a lot of

2450
01:41:27,250 --> 01:41:24,590
things so that's my basic philosophy if

2451
01:41:29,709 --> 01:41:27,260
it makes sense it does make sense a Greg

2452
01:41:32,169 --> 01:41:29,719
so that's going to be it we're having up

2453
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:32,179
Internet issues again so we're right

2454
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:34,130
near the end of the show anyway so I

2455
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:36,050
want to thank you so much for being on

2456
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:37,489
the show it's always a pleasure talking

2457
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:41,210
to you oh definitely at any time or and

2458
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:42,530
thank you so much all right

2459
01:41:46,540 --> 01:41:44,000
thanks to the audience for the great

2460
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:46,550
questions the comments excellent all

2461
01:41:50,860 --> 01:41:49,250
right you take care thank you - all

2462
01:41:58,209 --> 01:41:50,870
right thanks all right yeah good night

2463
01:42:01,120 --> 01:41:58,219
all right okay so that's it so that's it

2464
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:01,130
for the show with Greg I want to thank a

2465
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:04,520
few people first of all Alejandro Rojas

2466
01:42:09,700 --> 01:42:08,449
for being on the UFO updates I also want

2467
01:42:13,540 --> 01:42:09,710
to thank our guests of course Greg

2468
01:42:15,490 --> 01:42:13,550
Bishop Evan for trying to make this show

2469
01:42:18,340 --> 01:42:15,500
work even though internet was going in

2470
01:42:21,700 --> 01:42:18,350
and out thank you so much I want to

2471
01:42:23,890 --> 01:42:21,710
thank Peggy for managing our Facebook

2472
01:42:26,649 --> 01:42:23,900
page Keith over at the dark matter

2473
01:42:28,670 --> 01:42:26,659
digital network and so next week we have

2474
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:28,680
Dean ally Otto on

2475
01:42:33,050 --> 01:42:30,210
be a real fun show he's a real character